Everytime there's an HC violation at BYU

[jay santos]

The hard ass gospel reaction on CB makes me ashamed to admit I belong to the same church as these people.

I feel the same way half the time after leaving Gospel Doctrine.

I think if leaving the Mormon church wasn't such a dramatic political and social issue (especially in Utah County) and if there were options to attend a Christian church with the same social benefits, that I might drop out of the church for a while. Then again I don't know for sure if I would find what I want there.

I'll never stop believing the doctrine, but the culture (not the jello salad culture but specifically the justice-loving, vengeful, unforgiving, works based, hard ass culture) makes me crazy sometimes.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by jay santos

The hard ass gospel reaction on CB makes me ashamed to admit I belong to the same church as these people.

I feel the same way half the time after leaving Gospel Doctrine.

I think if leaving the Mormon church wasn't such a dramatic political and social issue (especially in Utah County) and if there were options to attend a Christian church with the same social benefits, that I might drop out of the church for a while. Then again I don't know for sure if I would find what I want there.

I'll never stop believing the doctrine, but the culture (not the jello salad culture but specifically the justice-loving, vengeful, unforgiving, works based, hard ass culture) makes me crazy sometimes.

Care to elaborate? It appears most folks are upset by the DUI. I think a hard ass reaction to DUI is appropriate.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

Care to elaborate? It appears most folks are upset by the DUI. I think a hard ass reaction to DUI is appropriate.

I know I usually overreact, but there was a reply to a comment that WoW is a difficult commandment to keep by quoting D&C saying that the WoW is easy because it's directed to the least of the saints. There were a few other comments that made me bristle. I may be having flashbacks at some of the comments after the last gangbang episode.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by jay santos

The hard ass gospel reaction on CB makes me ashamed to admit I belong to the same church as these people.

I feel the same way half the time after leaving Gospel Doctrine.

I think if leaving the Mormon church wasn't such a dramatic political and social issue (especially in Utah County) and if there were options to attend a Christian church with the same social benefits, that I might drop out of the church for a while. Then again I don't know for sure if I would find what I want there.

I'll never stop believing the doctrine, but the culture (not the jello salad culture but specifically the justice-loving, vengeful, unforgiving, works based, hard ass culture) makes me crazy sometimes.

It sounds like deep down inside you, there is a Ute fan trying to get out.

Let it happen brother - you're amongst friends.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

It sounds like deep down inside you, there is a Ute fan trying to get out.

Let it happen brother - you're amongst friends.

So wanting to leave church culture makes me a Ute fan? Interesting.

We're getting too deep into Jay Santos psychology here, but though I complain about the church culture sometimes, I could/would not ever not leave it. It would be like divorcing myself from my parents and siblings.

So I'll do my best to affect change from within.

This sets me up for the SU theory that there are thousands of nonbelieving LDS out there forced to keep their thoughts to themself and stay in the church due to social ramifications. But I have no misgivings about the underlying doctrine and beliefs of the church--just the people in it.

[Detroitdad]

Originally Posted by jay santos

The hard ass gospel reaction on CB makes me ashamed to admit I belong to the same church as these people.

I feel the same way half the time after leaving Gospel Doctrine.

I think if leaving the Mormon church wasn't such a dramatic political and social issue (especially in Utah County) and if there were options to attend a Christian church with the same social benefits, that I might drop out of the church for a while. Then again I don't know for sure if I would find what I want there.

I'll never stop believing the doctrine, but the culture (not the jello salad culture but specifically the justice-loving, vengeful, unforgiving, works based, hard ass culture) makes me crazy sometimes.

I symapthize with this post. And before I spent 8 years outside of Utah I sympatized even more. Then I spent time around a bunch of Christians in Alabama. Yikes! I knew I had met the enemy. Then I have spent 2 years in California among the heathen. Yikesier!!! I really know that the group I grew up around was best for me.

That is not to say that there are not crazy, vengeful, hateful, scabrous souled people among them and in fact, at times they seem to be the majority. But there are enough diamonds amidst the douches to keep me satisfied.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by jay santos

So wanting to leave church culture makes me a Ute fan? Interesting.

We're getting too deep into Jay Santos psychology here, but though I complain about the church culture sometimes, I could/would not ever not leave it. It would be like divorcing myself from my parents and siblings.

So I'll do my best to affect change from within.

This sets me up for the SU theory that there are thousands of nonbelieving LDS out there forced to keep their thoughts to themself and stay in the church due to social ramifications. But I have no misgivings about the underlying doctrine and beliefs of the church--just the people in it.

I believe SU is sad that he left the Church, but doesn't have the courage to admit that he was wrong. For a non-believer, he sure talks a lot about the Church rather than just moving on.

The LDS culture is annoying and like you, I have no misgivings about the doctrine and beliefs. That's one of the reasons that bout the only interaction I have with members of my ward is for 3 hours on Sundays.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I believe SU is sad that he left the Church, but doesn't have the courage to admit that he was wrong. For a non-believer, he sure talks a lot about the Church rather than just moving on.

The LDS culture is annoying and like you, I have no misgivings about the doctrine and beliefs. That's one of the reasons that bout the only interaction I have with members of my ward is for 3 hours on Sundays.

Who says in attending on Sundays, you must interact with them. You could be quiet and ignore them, making them believe you're arrogant and aloof, thereby making them more disinterested in you.