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MikeWaters · 12-03-2008, 03:11 AM

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/btb...01997-2008.pdf

Letter from Loren Dunn to M. Russell Ballard.

Outside interest is because of the Wirthlin angle. Apparently the great-nephews of the seventy Wirthlin (Dick Wirthlin) were the ones who claimed their kid was taught about gays in Massachusetts.

http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?...&sc3=&id=83942
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/12/6176

I don't really find that interesting.

What I find interesting:
1. Marlin Jensen intimately involved from over a decade ago in fighting against gay marriage.
2. The church doesn't want to be the public face of this fight. Do the heavy-lifting but don't make it obvious, drag the Catholics along for the ride.
3. The idea of fighting against civil unions that approximate gay marriage
4. The idea of promoting things like being for hospital visits as a form of political compromise (not because they believe it is the right thing).

You can see how this all played out in the case of Prop 8. Who was in CA (among others)? Marlin Jensen. Of course, Br. Jensen warned against excesses of homophobia, but nonetheless he was there to carry the water.

We saw the church becoming the public face of this but not really enjoying it. They were the victims of their own success.

We now know, for those of us that look carefully, that the church is opposed to civil unions that approximate marriage. It's not a semantic fight. It's a fight against gays having the rights contained in legal marriage.

We saw the church lamely offer hospital visitation rights as something they supported, making it sound like they support civil unions, when in fact they don't.

Interesting to see some of the inner workings here.

12-03-2008, 03:11 AM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,367	The Church on 'HLM' http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/btb...01997-2008.pdf Letter from Loren Dunn to M. Russell Ballard. Outside interest is because of the Wirthlin angle. Apparently the great-nephews of the seventy Wirthlin (Dick Wirthlin) were the ones who claimed their kid was taught about gays in Massachusetts. http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?...&sc3=&id=83942 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/12/6176 I don't really find that interesting. What I find interesting: 1. Marlin Jensen intimately involved from over a decade ago in fighting against gay marriage. 2. The church doesn't want to be the public face of this fight. Do the heavy-lifting but don't make it obvious, drag the Catholics along for the ride. 3. The idea of fighting against civil unions that approximate gay marriage 4. The idea of promoting things like being for hospital visits as a form of political compromise (not because they believe it is the right thing). You can see how this all played out in the case of Prop 8. Who was in CA (among others)? Marlin Jensen. Of course, Br. Jensen warned against excesses of homophobia, but nonetheless he was there to carry the water. We saw the church becoming the public face of this but not really enjoying it. They were the victims of their own success. We now know, for those of us that look carefully, that the church is opposed to civil unions that approximate marriage. It's not a semantic fight. It's a fight against gays having the rights contained in legal marriage. We saw the church lamely offer hospital visitation rights as something they supported, making it sound like they support civil unions, when in fact they don't. Interesting to see some of the inner workings here.