Nobody is talking about the farm bill

[MikeWaters]

that Bush is pretending to oppose. He vetoed it, but he told Republicans that they are free to override his veto if they feel it is necessary.

This will give welfare to couples making 1.5 million a year.

People with millions of dollars in assets.

This is exhibit A displaying why the GOP is dead. The GOP have supported the bill to the extent that veto will be overriden.

Novak had a good article about it.

[Mormon Red Death]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

that Bush is pretending to oppose. He vetoed it, but he told Republicans that they are free to override his veto if they feel it is necessary.

This will give welfare to couples making 1.5 million a year.

People with millions of dollars in assets.

This is exhibit A displaying why the GOP is dead. The GOP have supported the bill to the extent that veto will be overriden.

Novak had a good article about it.

You are right... most farmers make 1.5 million a year

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

that Bush is pretending to oppose. He vetoed it, but he told Republicans that they are free to override his veto if they feel it is necessary.

This will give welfare to couples making 1.5 million a year.

People with millions of dollars in assets.

This is exhibit A displaying why the GOP is dead. The GOP have supported the bill to the extent that veto will be overriden.

Novak had a good article about it.

Mike, where the heck did you get that?

[MikeWaters]

Farm subsidies are intended to alleviate farmer pov*erty, but the majority of subsidies go to commercial farms, which report an average income of $200,000 and a net worth of nearly $2 million.

Farm Incomes Shatter Records

The U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates that net farm income will reach a record $92.3 bil*lion in 2008--a 56 percent increase over 2006. The $89,434 average household income for farmers sig*nificantly exceeds the national average.[2] Addition*ally, crop land values soared another 14 percent last year, bringing them to double their 2000 levels.[3] Farmers are now wealthier than ever.

I take it you are not very conservative. There is a reason that they are keeping the cap at $1.5 million, despite calls to lower it.

Not only is GOP dead in Washington, it is dead at the grass roots.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Agriculture/bg2134.cfm

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Mike, where the heck did you get that?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ath_water.html

If you are a GOP congressperson who fights pork, subsidies, corporate welfare, earmarks, you will be punished by GOP leadership.

Novak has harped on this for years.

This is where you wish there was a conservative Tom Delay who actually supported conservatism and fiscal responsibility (I think Delay cared more about carrying the president's water than conservatism).

That Novak article is such a severe indictment, that I hope the GOP is voted clean out of office. It needs to be reinvented, and it can't if the same people stay there.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

that Bush is pretending to oppose. He vetoed it, but he told Republicans that they are free to override his veto if they feel it is necessary.

This will give welfare to couples making 1.5 million a year.

People with millions of dollars in assets.

This is exhibit A displaying why the GOP is dead. The GOP have supported the bill to the extent that veto will be overriden.

Novak had a good article about it.

Does Mellencamp still do those FarmAid concerts?

[MikeWaters]

another quote from the Heritage article:

Continues to subsidize millionaires. Cur*rently, all full-time farmers may be eligible for farm subsidies regardless of income (part-time farmers must earn less than $2.5 million annu*ally). President Bush reasonably proposed lim*iting farm subsidies to those who earn less than $200,000 a year.

No matter how high corn prices soar, the direct payment program would force taxpayers to send $2 billion in direct payments to corn farmers every year. Wheat farmers would receive $1 billion in annual direct payments, and farmers of other crops would receive a combined $2 billion in annual direct payments.

These payments are not based on farmer incomes, crop prices, or any standard of need. Farmers are not even required to grow the listed crop to get a subsidy; the law requires only that they have grown it at some point in the past. There is simply no rationale for these subsidies. Yet the Senate rejected an amend*ment by Senators Richard Lugar (R-IN) and Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) that would have redi*rected these payments into conservation, nutri*tion, and deficit reduction.[7]

The fact that I am apparently the only person here who cares, speaks much to how conservative these so-called conservatives on this board are.

[il Padrino Ute]

You speak my thoughts, Mike. No need for me to repeat what you've already said.

[Mormon Red Death]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

another quote from the Heritage article:





The fact that I am apparently the only person here who cares, speaks much to how conservative these so-called conservatives on this board are.

Hey... In my opinion they should get rid of every farm subsidy

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

The fact that I am apparently the only person here who cares, speaks much to how conservative these so-called conservatives on this board are.

Blah blah blah. Last I heard Bush was going to veto it and that would effectively kill it. In light of that I didn't feel like it was worth talking about.