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MikeWaters · 02-14-2008, 03:46 PM

did he at any point in his campaign ever take a position that could be construed as unpopular to the prototypical conservative voter?

I can point to many that McCain did (of course he pandered as well some of the time).

Here's my point: I think Americans, in their heart of hearts, worry that the guy who refuses to make unpopular decisions and take on unpopular positions, is not to be trusted with the fate of the country. In other words, at some level, it is about respecting the guy you disagree with, because you believe he is principled and has gravitas. Romney failed this test.

myboynoah · 02-14-2008, 03:56 PM

He was for a form of universal health care; at least giving everyone an option.

Tex · 02-14-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

did he at any point in his campaign ever take a position that could be construed as unpopular to the prototypical conservative voter?

I can point to many that McCain did (of course he pandered as well some of the time).

Here's my point: I think Americans, in their heart of hearts, worry that the guy who refuses to make unpopular decisions and take on unpopular positions, is not to be trusted with the fate of the country. In other words, at some level, it is about respecting the guy you disagree with, because you believe he is principled and has gravitas. Romney failed this test.

Which explains why Bush is so popular.

Indy Coug · 02-14-2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

did he at any point in his campaign ever take a position that could be construed as unpopular to the prototypical conservative voter?

I can point to many that McCain did (of course he pandered as well some of the time).

Here's my point: I think Americans, in their heart of hearts, worry that the guy who refuses to make unpopular decisions and take on unpopular positions, is not to be trusted with the fate of the country. In other words, at some level, it is about respecting the guy you disagree with, because you believe he is principled and has gravitas. Romney failed this test.

I'm not sure his health care plan necessarily could be classified as a prototypical conservative approach.

MikeWaters · 02-14-2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by myboynoah

He was for a form of universal health care; at least giving everyone an option.

It was widely acknowledged that he shied away from pushing his Mass. plan. Because, presumably, he was afraid it would be unpopular.

So I don't think that's a great example.

Indy Coug · 02-14-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

It was widely acknowledged that he shied away from pushing his Mass. plan. Because, presumably, he was afraid it would be unpopular.

So I don't think that's a great example.

Personally, his health care plan is one of the reasons I was a supporter. I think he also had sufficient business savvy not to half-heartedly attempt to overhaul our social security system which is the single biggest economic crisis facing this nation.

MikeWaters · 02-14-2008, 04:41 PM

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Personally, his health care plan is one of the reasons I was a supporter.

It's too bad he didn't really get behind his plan and push it, and say he was proud of it, etc.

No one wants a president who is afraid to be unpopular.

Huckabee with just one statement, proved he was willing to buck the trend when he called the Club for Growth "the club for greed".

That was widely played in the media, and the effect is that Huckabee gets to claim he is his own man, not afraid to take on some conservatives.

myboynoah · 02-14-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

It was widely acknowledged that he shied away from pushing his Mass. plan. Because, presumably, he was afraid it would be unpopular.

So I don't think that's a great example.

I forgot, you're the arbitor of "great examples."

I remember his touting it during the debates, so he certainly wasn't hiding it. There were certain aspects that he probably wasn't happy with, so he had a plan to change those. Good example.

Here's the one Repub with a plan for universal healthcare, something I assume you favor (the concept), and that totally escapes you. You need to look inward at the source of you Mitt-hate. I bet you find Huckabee in there stirring up the troups.

myboynoah · 02-14-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Huckabee with just one statement, proved he was willing to buck the trend when he called the Club for Growth "the club for greed".

That was widely played in the media, and the effect is that Huckabee gets to claim he is his own man, not afraid to take on some conservatives.

Yeah, when people say Huckabee, that message comes into their minds.

MikeWaters · 02-14-2008, 06:24 PM

Again, I find it interesting...even if I grant you that Mitt was proudly pushing forward his health plan in Mass (which he was not, but I'll grant you it for the sake of argument).....where are the other things?

And then compare that to McCain.

Guess who won among voters who were voting on character. McCain.

You can't be the guy who takes the convenient path, and then get credit for political courage.

You know, it's only among Mormons, it seems, that people can't see this. Your man just got demolished by a guy that conservatives HATE. A post mortem is in order.

02-14-2008, 03:46 PM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,367	Question about Romney did he at any point in his campaign ever take a position that could be construed as unpopular to the prototypical conservative voter? I can point to many that McCain did (of course he pandered as well some of the time). Here's my point: I think Americans, in their heart of hearts, worry that the guy who refuses to make unpopular decisions and take on unpopular positions, is not to be trusted with the fate of the country. In other words, at some level, it is about respecting the guy you disagree with, because you believe he is principled and has gravitas. Romney failed this test.

02-14-2008, 03:56 PM	#2
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02-14-2008, 06:24 PM	#10
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,367	Again, I find it interesting...even if I grant you that Mitt was proudly pushing forward his health plan in Mass (which he was not, but I'll grant you it for the sake of argument).....where are the other things? And then compare that to McCain. Guess who won among voters who were voting on character. McCain. You can't be the guy who takes the convenient path, and then get credit for political courage. You know, it's only among Mormons, it seems, that people can't see this. Your man just got demolished by a guy that conservatives HATE. A post mortem is in order.