I wonder if this guy setback the church

[MikeWaters]

in terms of increasing the amount of color among the Seventies.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6504464

I think if you look at the history of the church, general authority status was reserved for those men that knew the men who were already general authorities (what might be called a good ol boy network). You look at the era before David O. McKay and a critic might even go beyond good ol boy and call it nepotism.

It makes sense to only include those in your trusted circle. You know what you are getting.

Then 70 years after David O. McKay is called as an apostle, you take a few more chances and call this guy. And you get burned. And then the temptation may be to retreat, to be more careful, vet more carefully, etc.

He looks like hell btw. It's hard to imagine that picture being included in the centerfold of the GAs in the Ensign.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

in terms of increasing the amount of color among the Seventies.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6504464

I think if you look at the history of the church, general authority status was reserved for those men that knew the men who were already general authorities (what might be called a good ol boy network). You look at the era before David O. McKay and a critic might even go beyond good ol boy and call it nepotism.

It makes sense to only include those in your trusted circle. You know what you are getting.

Then 70 years after David O. McKay is called as an apostle, you take a few more chances and call this guy. And you get burned. And then the temptation may be to retreat, to be more careful, vet more carefully, etc.

He looks like hell btw. It's hard to imagine that picture being included in the centerfold of the GAs in the Ensign.

David O. McKay took the same chance that the BYU football program takes. You take a chance and have people in the organization who are not white, born and raised LDS and are RM's. Only difference is it is a much bigger issue when there is a problem at BYU with the football players.

When Lee was excommunicated I doubt anyone was calling for the doing away with the Seventies.

[Tex]

Good grief. I remember when Lee was excommunicated. What a crying shame.

I didn't realize he was called to the Seventy at such a young age.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

in terms of increasing the amount of color among the Seventies.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6504464

I think if you look at the history of the church, general authority status was reserved for those men that knew the men who were already general authorities (what might be called a good ol boy network). You look at the era before David O. McKay and a critic might even go beyond good ol boy and call it nepotism.

It makes sense to only include those in your trusted circle. You know what you are getting.

Then 70 years after David O. McKay is called as an apostle, you take a few more chances and call this guy. And you get burned. And then the temptation may be to retreat, to be more careful, vet more carefully, etc.

He looks like hell btw. It's hard to imagine that picture being included in the centerfold of the GAs in the Ensign.

It's a shame what happened and as become of him.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

in terms of increasing the amount of color among the Seventies.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6504464

I think if you look at the history of the church, general authority status was reserved for those men that knew the men who were already general authorities (what might be called a good ol boy network). You look at the era before David O. McKay and a critic might even go beyond good ol boy and call it nepotism.

It makes sense to only include those in your trusted circle. You know what you are getting.

Then 70 years after David O. McKay is called as an apostle, you take a few more chances and call this guy. And you get burned. And then the temptation may be to retreat, to be more careful, vet more carefully, etc.

He looks like hell btw. It's hard to imagine that picture being included in the centerfold of the GAs in the Ensign.

The story is this man's horribly tragic fall, his personal self-destruction, not what it did to the LDS Church. I wonder how much compassion he's received. He seems to be ill.

[SteelBlue]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

The story is this man's horribly tragic fall, his personal self-destruction, not what it did to the LDS Church. I wonder how much compassion he's received. He seems to be ill.

How much compassion does one normally give to child molesters? That's one crime that I have a very difficult time forgiving. When you throw in the high calling he held and apparently used to manipulate the young girl you hit rock bottom. I think most child molesters are ill, but I still have a VERY difficult time showing them any compassion.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SteelBlue

How much compassion does one normally give to child molesters? That's one crime that I have a very difficult time forgiving. When you throw in the high calling he held and apparently used to manipulate the young girl you hit rock bottom. I think most child molesters are ill, but I still have a VERY difficult time showing them any compassion.

It is a heinous crime, but my heart sinks for a man, who had risen out of the shackles which are thrust upon many Native Americans, to reach a position of trust and honor.

And I agree child molestation is a terrible, terrible thing. But I remember his enthusiastic talks, and wish he had not fallen. He does appear to have become very ill.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by SteelBlue

How much compassion does one normally give to child molesters? That's one crime that I have a very difficult time forgiving. When you throw in the high calling he held and apparently used to manipulate the young girl you hit rock bottom. I think most child molesters are ill, but I still have a VERY difficult time showing them any compassion.

I agree. That's a tough one. Child molesters are a walking argument against God's existence in my opinion.

[SteelBlue]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I agree. That's a tough one. Child molesters are a walking argument against God's existence in my opinion.

I put molesters who use religion to perpetrate their crimes in an even more heinous category. It's the ultimate betrayal.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by SteelBlue

How much compassion does one normally give to child molesters? That's one crime that I have a very difficult time forgiving. When you throw in the high calling he held and apparently used to manipulate the young girl you hit rock bottom. I think most child molesters are ill, but I still have a VERY difficult time showing them any compassion.

Indeed.