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jay santos · 01-10-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

Evangelicals often believe in the inerrancy of the Bible.

We categorically reject that belief and we find much of it allegorical, not historical fact.

Again, I just don't see inerrancy of the Bible as something to jump up and down about.

We believe in inerrancy of the Book of Mormon. So the concept of inerrancy in scripture is common. MHO is that we too often go to the Bible errancy card when we don't know how to interpret something.

The important principle here is that God gave us scripture that we can rely on as a foundation of our faith and testimony. We share that in common.

Also, you'll find plenty of Christians who believe in allegory. You'll find plenty of Mormons who will hang you by your toes if you tell them Job is not a real, historical person whose life went exactly the way described in the Bible. So I definitely don't see that as a doctrinal difference that Mormons and Christians have.

Jeff Lebowski · 01-10-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

We believe in inerrancy of the Book of Mormon. So the concept of inerrancy in scripture is common. ...

We do? Since when?

jay santos · 01-10-2007, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

We do? Since when?

Inerrancy is a big word.

The thing about doctrine is that it's very, very difficult to find doctrine defined and clarified enough to satisfy discussions like this.

I believe the way Christians view the Bible and Mormons believe the Book of Mormon to be very similar--as far as accuracy and ability to trust the versions we have.

The main difference being the part about the Bible being sufficient and final and all that, which I believe is not so much a Bible issue as it is a church government issue, which goes back to my comments from a previous post in this thread.

Jeff Lebowski · 01-10-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Inerrancy is a big word.

The thing about doctrine is that it's very, very difficult to find doctrine defined and clarified enough to satisfy discussions like this.

I believe the way Christians view the Bible and Mormons believe the Book of Mormon to be very similar--as far as accuracy and ability to trust the versions we have.

The main difference being the part about the Bible being sufficient and final and all that, which I believe is not so much a Bible issue as it is a church government issue, which goes back to my comments from a previous post in this thread.

Thanks, but I am far from convinced. I don't believe it is LDS doctrine that the BOM is the perfect and complete word of God. Not by a long shot.

Mormon Red Death · 01-10-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Thanks, but I am far from convinced. I don't believe it is LDS doctrine that the BOM is the perfect and complete word of God. Not by a long shot.

I believe the official position is

"The book of mormon is the most correct book on earth and man can get closer to god by following its precepts than any other book"

MikeWaters · 01-10-2007, 08:47 PM

Doesn't Mormon or Moroni say "if there be errors they be the errors of men"?

jay santos · 01-10-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Doesn't Mormon or Moroni say "if there be errors they be the errors of men"?

Are you referring to Ether 12?

I think he was referring to his own butchering of the Reformed Egyptian language which he didn't know that well. I think since Joseph's translation was most likely not a direct translation but a freer interpretation, I don't think those language problems made it into our version of the BoM.

MikeWaters · 01-10-2007, 09:02 PM

I very much believe that HUMAN BEINGS wrote the BoM. Since none of them are perfect, the BoM is not perfect.

This isn't a radical notion.

Archaea · 01-10-2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death

I believe the official position is

"The book of mormon is the most correct book on earth and man can get closer to god by following its precepts than any other book"

The BoM has correct religious precepts. Nothing therein state the book is given for any purpose other than to convince people that Jesus is the Christ.

It is NOT a history, nor intended to be one, but a testament of Christ.

That does not mean it is without error.

jay santos · 01-10-2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I very much believe that HUMAN BEINGS wrote the BoM. Since none of them are perfect, the BoM is not perfect.

This isn't a radical notion.

Christian's insistence on the perfection of the Bible is annoying.

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MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,368	Doesn't Mormon or Moroni say "if there be errors they be the errors of men"?

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MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,368	I very much believe that HUMAN BEINGS wrote the BoM. Since none of them are perfect, the BoM is not perfect. This isn't a radical notion.