This election could change the electoral map for years to come.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by NorCal Cat

Did you copy this verbatim from the DNC talking points, or is this just a summary?

They're not talking points. They're neologisms.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

As I understand the race, Childers ran as a conservative, which would increase his appeal to Republican voters in a traditional Republican district. Obama will not be mimicking that strategy.

Thus, the choice to conflate the two was probably a bad campaign strategy.

Parenthetically, I should add that I don't necessarily think it bodes well for the R's this year. I just don't think it represents the catastrophe that you seem to think it does.

lol! I am sure that is what conservatives are saying. "See- we DID win! Good thing the liberal Republican went down in flames."

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

lol! I am sure that is what conservatives are saying. "See- we DID win! Good thing the liberal Republican went down in flames."

The conservative principles that traditionally define the Republican party won, meaning those ideals are still valued by voters. Unfortunately the party is not embodying those ideals at the moment.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

The conservative principles that traditionally define the Republican party won, meaning those ideals are still valued by voters. Unfortunately the party is not embodying those ideals at the moment.

lol! Good to know. I suppose that means the conservative principles that traditionally define the Republican party are preserving social security, opposing privatization of SS, expanding in-home government programs for senior citizens, expanding the scope of S-CHIP, and ensuring healthcare coverage for Mississippi citizens. Who knew Republicans were so liberal!

http://www.childersforcongress.com/tc_issues.html

Your butt talks more than your mouth.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

lol! Good to know. I suppose that means the conservative principles that traditionally define the Republican party are preserving social security, opposing privatization of SS, expanding in-home government programs for senior citizens, expanding the scope of S-CHIP, and ensuring healthcare coverage for Mississippi citizens. Who knew Republicans were so liberal!

http://www.childersforcongress.com/tc_issues.html

Your butt talks more than your mouth.

I believe he's pro-life and pro-gun.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

I believe he's pro-life and pro-gun.

Ah. In other words, for you the entire conservative agenda is caring about life and guns. Odd, but so be it.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Ah. In other words, for you the entire conservative agenda is caring about life and guns. Odd, but so be it.

No. But those were two large issues in Mississippi on which he aligned himself with traditionally Republican values. There are no perfect conservative candidates, even among R's, so obviously he's not going to be conservative on everything.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Ah. In other words, for you the entire conservative agenda is caring about life and guns. Odd, but so be it.

The point is that democrats winning local elections in the south are the same on cultural/social issues as their Republican opponents. Theyare the same animal in that respect. A political consultant/expert on NPR explained this today. He said the dynamic will be very different when it's McCain vs. Obama. He said that it's going to come down to are there enough blacks to counterbalance the fact that whites will vote McCain in droves. He wasn't partisan. He's from Emery University.

I think McCain will win and then we'll all feel icky about how it happened. IF the dems were running a traditional southern democrat they'd kill McCain. But they won't be.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Tex

No. But those were two large issues in Mississippi on which he aligned himself with traditionally Republican values. There are no perfect conservative candidates, even among R's, so obviously he's not going to be conservative on everything.

Southern republicans are not so far from Obama on economic issues. It's the social issues where they part vastly, and historically they vote on social issues, which is why Cali's argument is bullshit.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

No. But those were two large issues in Mississippi on which he aligned himself with traditionally Republican values. There are no perfect conservative candidates, even among R's, so obviously he's not going to be conservative on everything.

You said this about Childers:

"The conservative principles that traditionally define the Republican party won, meaning those ideals are still valued by voters. Unfortunately the party is not embodying those ideals at the moment."

Now you are backtracking and saying that he was conservative on guns and life (what exactly is he going to do on either of those two issues in the US Congress, pray tell) which is enough to declare victory for conservative principles? What about the Republican who lost who held MORE conservative principles? Did that just represent conservatism not really trying, so it can't be chalked up as a loss?

You crack me up, Tex.