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with referring to your description about the secular government ..i think it might be fair to reach out to this conclusion that , "you wouldnot mind to have some faithless/unprincipled law makers and unscrupulous law executors who would oftenly lie to people and mess up with thier lives, as long as they bring you money and power ". Thanks for guiding me welcome the concept.[/quote] You really haven't understood me, and I don't know how to bridge the gap. You assume a person without faith is necessarily dishonest. That is not true. There are other models of honesty. If I wish to work with FFTs, I don't have to go back to the initial concepts of Newtonian or Leibniz's concepts of calculus. Even in your government, your politics are about money and power, you fail to recognize this. No, current legislatures do not look at origins only look at the current moment. It is naive to believe any political movement is about anything other than power and money, any where that man exists.
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of course our government is into providing money and power and injecting them to the society ..but it is also at the same time would strengthen people's spiritual ability ,becuase we believe its people right to have a healthy/honest governers/law makers who would serve people with thier healthy minds and souls .
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There are good people who do not know how to make good laws. And there are bad people who know how to make good laws. Just like there are good people who do not know how to make a good car, but bad people who know how to make a good car.
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this is our slogan "motekhases va moteahed" (in case you might like to know the farsi expression) from the very first days after islamic revolution which means our country will welcome to honest professionals who are honored to supply the islamic society with the best intention and knowledge.
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That is offensive in my mind. I've known many religious persons who are bad people and known many nonreligious people who are good people. Those terms are NOT synonymous.
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for the sake of bright conversation i am going to explain here why you should not jump to this offensive upshot ... since in islam we basically dont have such prospective toward human in this specific case..we believe that being a moral person almost has nothing to do with being religious ..Thanks to wise ,loving God," man " has been equipped with such instruments that truly convey him toward goods and prevent him from evil . so you can be an atheist and still care about moral.. no inconsistency whatsoever! but accepting a religion is a further step of being moral methinks...thats why in islam we wouldnot aknowledge such a thing as "dishonest believer" plainly becuase with practicing a true religion , an (already) moral person is going to profit the religion in discovering new realms in the perfection path ahead. thereupon if we are witnessed of a devotee who is deshonest and knavish there will be serious concern/issue with his belief system or his religion ,that wouldnot allow us to include him in the same category as his religious peers ,any more. unless he adjusts his deeds to what he has been attached .
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