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If I understand LDS theology correctly, it is taught that before Christ died all the pain of the atonement felt in the Garden returned while He hung on the Cross. When this happened God the Father totally abandoned Christ which resulted in that "Eli Sabachtini" wop sounding line that the Christ uttered. In the Garden of Gethsamne it is written that an angel came to provide Christ some type of support. So I must ask this, was the sacrifice in the Garden sufficient or did Christ have to go through the pain again on the cross to do all things on His very own? Is that the manner in which He purchased mankind's salvation? If so, strikes me as redundant that He atoned in the Garden but it seems invalidated, under the concept that He must do it entirely independent of the Father, because some Angel showed up to give Him a 'lil help.
My other thought was that perhaps there might be succoring for even the Sons of Perdition. If a SOP is totally removed from the Father, it would be neccesary for the Son to be totally removed from the Father so that he would have that perfect empathy that will allow Him to succor even those that are SOPs.
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I like the angle you give in your last paragraph, though I think it could apply to much more than just SOP. As non-SOP's, we can seperate ourselves from God in varying degree through sin. On a like note, I find our obsession with distancing ourselves from Catholic/Christian church's use of the cross symbol pretty silly. |
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If you think about it, the ultimate punishment for sin is being separated from the father and holy ghost. Therefore, Christ had to suffer that also to make the atonoement infinite and eternal.
Other than that, I agree that it was a process that started in the garden and ended on the cross. |
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I always thought we distanced ourselves from the cross symbol because it represented Christ's death and we kind of prefer to celebrate his resurrection.
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Not sure that's a good thing. |
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I think there is a powerful lesson in that passage for us to learn. How we should tune into the Father and the Spirit with such acuity that the moment we do something to mar that relationship we feel that separation and then do what we can to reclaim it immediately thereafter.
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Protestants and Evangelicals often wear a cross, and not a crucifix, because the cross is empty and indicates that Jesus completed his work and was resurrected. They wear it to remind themselves of his resurrection. But don't let that get in the way of being wrongheaded and reactionary.
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We don't have the cross, because that symbol is associated with other churches. As the restored church, we don't want the symbol of the cross confusing people that we are just another protestant faith.
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