Here ya go.......vote Democrat

[exUte]

http://www.ldslivingonline.com/artic...rticleId=79643

I'm voting for my democratic representative. when the church then goes nuts that abortion rights are extended and gay marriage is legislated, I'll just refer them to their representative. LOL

[SoCalCoug]

So, you would disagree that you can be a Democrat and a good LDS member at the same time?

Also, do you also believe in demonizing those you disagree with?

[Tex]

There used to be lots of LDS Democrats. One the more famous LDS Democrat families (many of whom still are) are the Udalls who have connections spread across the southwest.

IMO, part of what has led to LDS gravitating toward Republicans in the Democrat party's slow decent into radical liberalism, especially on social issues. Many members--even politically fair-minded ones--have a hard time squaring that with their religion.

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by Tex

There used to be lots of LDS Democrats. One the more famous LDS Democrat families (many of whom still are) are the Udalls who have connections spread across the southwest.

IMO, part of what has led to LDS gravitating toward Republicans in the Democrat party's slow decent into radical liberalism, especially on social issues. Many members--even politically fair-minded ones--have a hard time squaring that with their religion.

I think it has more to do with the fact that the members have fallen prey to the propaganda that all good, moral people vote for the Republicans, because Republicans stand for family values.

Most Democrats are not really very left on social issues; and Republicans have made no progress on their social agenda. So I really see very little difference.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

I think it has more to do with the fact that the members have fallen prey to the propaganda that all good, moral people vote for the Republicans, because Republicans stand for family values.

Most Democrats are not really very left on social issues; and Republicans have made no progress on their social agenda. So I really see very little difference.

a real Republican doesn't have a social agenda but is a libertarian. so there's little progress to be made except to maintain civil liberties.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

I think it has more to do with the fact that the members have fallen prey to the propaganda that all good, moral people vote for the Republicans, because Republicans stand for family values.

Most Democrats are not really very left on social issues; and Republicans have made no progress on their social agenda. So I really see very little difference.

But that perception had to come from somewhere. We didn't have thousands of LDS Democrats (the article notes that Utah went LBJ with everyone else in '64) who suddenly up and felt like bad members. I don't buy that some random comment by Benson to the AP all of the sudden created it.

And you say most Dems aren't very left ... well, how do you know? It's most vocal leaders certainly are. Nancy Pelosi, are you kidding me? On the most divisive social issue of our time (abortion) the country is split straight down the middle, and generally on party lines. Moreover, show me the plethora of successful, powerful pro-life Democrats. The list is extremely short.

Dems are perceived as the party of the irreligious, and though some find it unfair, I think they've sponsored a platform which fosters that view. They were the first to embrace homosexual behavior as normal, an idea entirely at odds with current LDS teaching.

What appeals to LDS Dems about the party on a religious level are things like health care and welfare. They see gov't as a legitimate way to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, heal the sick, etc. Though I disagree, I can see why they feel that way. What I don't understand is how an LDS Democrat reconciles abortion, gay marriage, and other social issues that truly stand at odds with what the church advocates. Exhibit A: Prop 8.

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by exUte

http://www.ldslivingonline.com/artic...rticleId=79643

I'm voting for my democratic representative. when the church then goes nuts that abortion rights are extended and gay marriage is legislated, I'll just refer them to their representative. LOL

Well, since you're starting a discussion that mixes religion and politics, I think Libertarianism is what is most in line with how I understand the gospel. After all, if you believe in what the war in the prexistence was all about, how could you not support free agency? Curiously, most LDS don't really believe that strongly in it, in practice. We want to tell others what to do and be told what to do. Some want our government to force things to be the way we'd like. That's especially true of "conservatives" on the social issues and of liberals on the economic ones.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Tex

There used to be lots of LDS Democrats. One the more famous LDS Democrat families (many of whom still are) are the Udalls who have connections spread across the southwest.

IMO, part of what has led to LDS gravitating toward Republicans in the Democrat party's slow decent into radical liberalism, especially on social issues. Many members--even politically fair-minded ones--have a hard time squaring that with their religion.

Which is complete bullshit at the local level in Utah, where the local democrat party platform is almost indistinguishable from the republican platform. Yet people keep blindly voting R.

Like someone said on here, partisan politics are for the weak-minded.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Here you go:

http://www.utahcountydems.com/content/view/50/93/

Radical heathens!

[CardiacCoug]

Originally Posted by Tex

What I don't understand is how an LDS Democrat reconciles abortion, gay marriage, and other social issues that truly stand at odds with what the church advocates. Exhibit A: Prop 8.

You don't have to perform abortions or marry somebody of the same gender if you're a Democrat. You just have to acknowledge that not everybody shares the exact same moral position as you on these issues and that other people should be free to do what they feel is right regarding these often difficult and complex issues.

Live and let live. Not everybody is going to agree with LDS people on everything. Gay marriage is here to stay and so is legal abortion. What's the big deal?