DNA Supports African Origin of Man

[tooblue]

http://news.wired.com/dynamic/storie...02-21-17-22-38

[woot]

This has landed with much more of thud than it probably should have, but I suppose it's because we've known this for many decades and having science confirmed by DNA evidence has come to be expected. Still, it's pretty cool that evolutionary theory is once again proven correct. I suppose that makes evolution about 10 million, Creationism/ID - 0.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by woot

This has landed with much more of thud than it probably should have, but I suppose it's because we've known this for many decades and having science confirmed by DNA evidence has come to be expected. Still, it's pretty cool that evolutionary theory is once again proven correct. I suppose that makes evolution about 10 million, Creationism/ID - 0.

what does this have to do with creationism?

[woot]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

what does this have to do with creationism?

It is actively trying to insert itself into our public schools by trying to convince people that it is actually science. It is not science, as judged by the complete lack of evidence and zero predictive power.

It is important to distinguish the political movement known as "creationism/Intelligent design" from the belief that God had something to do with the existence of man. The former is a specific political movement, the latter is a belief that many prominent scientists hold who actively work against the tripe that creationists spew.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by woot

It is actively trying to insert itself into our public schools by trying to convince people that it is actually science. It is not science, as judged by the complete lack of evidence and zero predictive power.

It is important to distinguish the political movement known as "creationism/Intelligent design" from the belief that God had something to do with the existence of man. The former is a specific political movement, the latter is a belief that many prominent scientists hold who actively work against the tripe that creationists spew.

So the DNA proves that God didn't place the first man on Africa?

[woot]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

So the DNA proves that God didn't place the first man on Africa?

Let me try again. Science is supported by evidence and makes predictions. Creationism isn't and doesn't. That religious folks are able to incorporate the findings of science into their beliefs doesn't validate their beliefs. This isn't about stomping out belief, this is about stomping out the movements that try to force their religious beliefs into science classrooms. I suggest reading the works of Ken Miller, who is a Christian evolutionary biologist most known for his battle against creationism/ID.

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by woot

It is actively trying to insert itself into our public schools by trying to convince people that it is actually science. It is not science, as judged by the complete lack of evidence and zero predictive power.

It is important to distinguish the political movement known as "creationism/Intelligent design" from the belief that God had something to do with the existence of man. The former is a specific political movement, the latter is a belief that many prominent scientists hold who actively work against the tripe that creationists spew.

no, his question was what does the DNA evidence about the first man being in Africa have to do with evolution.

[woot]

Originally Posted by ChinoCoug

no, his question was what does the DNA evidence about the first man being in Africa have to do with evolution.

Because it is evolutionary theory that gave us the knowledge that hominins evolved in Africa. DNA confirmation of that is just one more confirmation of evolutionary theory. This is why science works. Independent confirmation from a variety of fields using a variety of techniques is powerful.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by woot

Because it is evolutionary theory that gave us the knowledge that hominins evolved in Africa. DNA confirmation of that is just one more confirmation of evolutionary theory. This is why science works. Independent confirmation from a variety of fields using a variety of techniques is powerful.

So Creationism is universal, meaning all creationist theories are essentially identical to each other?

[woot]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

So Creationism is universal, meaning all creationist theories are essentially identical to each other?

Again, I'm talking about the political movement, and I'm not sure what your point is. They can claim anything they want and have as much diversity within their movement as they want, but until they start doing experiments, making testable claims, making predictions, etc., they aren't science and must be kept out of the science classroom.