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The last point is also legitimate. If someone says "I'm gay," what means are available to me to verify or not verify? None. The best studies that might be available on people who say why they are gay are nothing more than surveys asking for folks' opinions. But don't ignore the reason I brought it up: even a flawed survey of homosexuals would provide some point-of-reference for ER to criticize cougarobgon. Instead, ER is himself guilty of what he accuses. Lastly, if you cannot respond without calling me a sophist, ignorant, a bigot, or some other name, please: just don't respond.
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?? I didn't call you a name. I commented on your logic.
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I also think that if gays marry, the power to procreate would still only be between a man and a woman. |
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11-10-2008, 01:55 PM | #77 | |
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There are a lot of things I can't begin to sort out in my mind. The fact that some folks are born attracted to members of their same sex is one of them. I don't even try to sort them out. |
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He did not choose to be gay. Period. Yes, there may be people who "choose" the gay lifestyle. But a position on homosexuality that is based on a premise that all homosexuality is a choice fails. If you want to fall back on your limited experience with people you have known or worked with, I can trump you with mine. I've got 39 years of experience behind my conclusion. This is the biggest frustration I have with the issue. People drawing on their "experience" to support an erroneous premise in order to avoid the cognitive dissonance that comes with the realization that at least many homosexuals did not "choose" to be gay. Why do so many LDS work so hard to argue that homosexuality is a choice? Because that is the premise that is most consistent with the LDS bar against homosexuality. When you start to recognize that it isn't, that's when the issue gets more difficult and muddled.
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Creekster has suggested it's a continuum, and that seems to be the best approach since there is such a variety of cases. Some, for whatever reason, are more afflicted with this particular temptation than others.
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As for your request for "evidence", I gave you a link to an article about a BYU prof. who summarizes research in this area. Why did you not comment on that? But either way, you have already indicated that you are inclined to dismiss such evidence out of hand. Why bother?
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