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10-15% is pretty large when you're talking about 1.2 billion people. No one has said anything derogatory here towards Muslims who live peaceably and are law abiding citizens of whichever country they hail.
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Yeah...let's just sit around and do nothing. You'll note at that time, the Nephites didn't lay their arms down. They fought to the bitter end.
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The Nephites were situated in a nearly impregnable spot, plugging up the narrow neck. They could have remained their indefinitely, and Mormon knew this. He was busy building up his own defenses. Yet, his own people were so zealous about eliminating the enemy forces that they went out on their own offensive strike. Not only was the offensive unsuccessful, it decimated the defending troops, and being thus weakened, they were forced from their defenses. "And from this time forth did the Nephites gain no power over the Lamanites, but began to be swept off by them even as a dew before the sun." The two greatest Nephite generals, Captain Moroni and Mormon, both advocated defense over offense. Neither were interested in offensives, and only once in the entire book did a hot-tempered Moroni even indicate he might try an offensive campaign in what many feel was an empty threat he had no intention of following up upon. Both generals saw the ultimate solution to the Lamanite problem lying beyond the battlefield. The difference between the two? Moroni's men believed him. Mormon's men didn't. One group survived. The other didn't. As much as I advocate fighting to the bitter end, I'd rather not have a bitter end.
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even BluePete advocates defense over pre-emption.
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I agree, if we ignore the admonitions of our leaders, striking out when we need not, then we will cease having any protection in the future. We should pull back from our adventurous preemptive mode.
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I think that the Afghan war and the Iraqi war tell two different stories on how America chooses to 'fight' the war on terror:
Afghan: When the US went there and started the mini war, there was justification for it (in many people's eyes). They knew who the bad guys were and what needed to be done. Iraq: It seemed like we were grasping at straws to show the 'terror' link and go after them. Yes Saddam is a truly evil man. But what is the price? Do any of you believe that this war is going to end anytime soon? Did we do more good in getting rid of Saddam or did we do more ill will in regards to how America is perceived. Yes, Iraq wanted to get rid of Saddam, but they didn't want the evil West empire to be the ones that did it. There is a war against terror...America needs to decide if the 'war' should be fought thru intelligence, a stronger CIA, a stronger FBI and a stronger relationship with international governments...or if the 'war' should consist of bombing out countries in the hope that we nail some bad people. It is not a black and white issue even though Bush and the administration try to make it so...its not a for us or against us situation. |
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