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I am past the time of hero worship or looking to mortal men as general role models.
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I disagree with my branch president virtually on a weekly basis in PEC, but after I RESPECTFULLY voice my opinion, which he allows me to do, I submit to his decision on the matter. I don't seek to bad-mouth him, undermine him, rally support against him and so forth. I don't check my brain or my conscience in at the door, but I openly acknowledge that there needs to be order in all things and that I need to recognize and limit myself to what is and isn't my stewardship. For leaders outside my ward that I've disagreed with, here is a basic example of what I've done. During branch council, myself and others voiced a number of concerns about the way that missionary work was being done in our branch and about the readiness of many converts at the time of their baptism. Our branch president then took our concerns to the mission president, who then modified their approach in a couple of respects, though not in all respects. This is the way the church should work, IMO. It shouldn't consist of me personally calling the mission president and telling him where he's wrong and that his missionaries are hanging a millstone around our fledgling branch's neck. It shouldn't consist of me making wild accusations that the Q12 and FP are more concerned with people getting wet than getting them to the temple, or that our missionary program is too corporate to meet the real needs of the people. Those statements are neither accurate nor productive in bringing about meaningful, even if sometimes limited, change. |
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I don't your father other than who he is.
As to my father, I examine his vast repertoire of experience and rely upon it when necessary and useful. Where my experience exceeds his in certain areas, I look to my experience or the experience of others with greater experience. So I no longer have a general role model in terms of mortality. An as for immortal role models, they are not before me to know what or how they would behave.
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I "defer to the divine calling." Invoking the divine to justify your actions. Last I checked, we're all mortals here and thus imperfect. I wager even those of us speculating about a better method, defer 99.9999% of the time to our leaders, usually not out of a sense of trying to be morally superior, but because we're too lazy or don't care enough to fight a fight. This is a discussion board, designed for freedom of expression of thought. For example, Requiem asked what to do, and a plethora of ideas flowed, yours as useful as the next. You are wrong in characterizing most of the suggestions as being anything more discourteous than Requiem's bishop appeared to have behaved. After that the discussion branched off into the improvement of music in order to elevate worship. In that regard, I don't see how being a GA imbues one greater wisdom than anybody else. In fact, the musically gifted are probably more insightful on this issue than staid businessmen and administrators.
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Way to totally miss the point, as usual. Quote:
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I agree with many aspects of your post, but you got off on the wrong foot by resorting to a time honored, but horrible rhetorical device, of the angels of heaven are on my side, by invoking the divine. It's called the authority card, which in an argument based on logic, is unappealing.
It makes you sound as if you consider yourself morally superior to any who don't share your position.
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What was your point? Was war deiner Zweck oder dein Ziel?
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Invoking the divine? More vacuous rhetoric. Quote:
I simply tried to explain my view on how we can constructively/effectively offer a differing opinion with leadership. For whatever reason, you've chosen to ignore the real substance of my post and go off on bizarre tangents and engage in ridiculous rhetoric. |
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