10-24-2007, 06:43 PM | #31 |
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Yes, thank you.
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Also, I have definitely read comments from vets who attest to what you are saying. There was a lot of commentary to this point when the movie came out.
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Trippledaddy, close your eyes! Here's a famous scene from Western Civilization's perhaps oldest and perhaps greatest if not most infuential work of literature, NC-17 rated for violence:
Next he sprang on Thestor son of Enops, who was sitting all huddled up in his chariot, for he had lost his head and the reins had been torn out of his hands. Patroclus went up to him and drove a spear into his right jaw; he thus hooked him by the teeth and the spear pulled him over the rim of his car, as one who sits at the end of some jutting rock and draws a strong fish out of the sea with a hook and a line-- even so with his spear did he pull Thestor all gaping from his chariot; he then threw him down on his face and he died while falling. On this, as Erylaus was on to attack him, he struck him full on the head with a stone, and his brains were all battered inside his helmet, whereon he fell headlong to the ground and the pangs of death took hold upon him. Then he laid low, one after the other, Erymas, Amphoterus, Epaltes, Tlepolemus, Echius son of Damastor, Pyris, lpheus, Euippus and Polymelus son of Argeas. --Iliad Book 16 (By Homer, Butler prose tans.)
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Here's a version with the carnage cropped off of one of my favorite scenes:
"Achilles exploded forward, fury Incarnate behind the curve of his shield, A glory of metalwork, and the plumes Nodded and rippled on his helmet’s crest, Thick golden horsehair set by Hephaestus, And his spearpoint glinted like the Evening Star, In the gloom of night, Star of perfect splendor A gleam in the air as Achilles poised His spear with murderous aim at Hector. . ." --Lombardo translation
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As you can see, careful editing can remove the violence without losing the message:
Next he sprang on Thestor son of Enops, who was sitting all huddled up in his chariot, for he had died and the reins had left his hands. Patroclus went up to him and hurt him (actually almost killing him! Wow!); he continued to fight him and pulled him over the rim of his car, as one who sits at the end of some jutting rock and draws a strong fish out of the sea with a hook and a line-- even so did he pull Thestor, who at this point was badly hurt, from his chariot; then, resorting to fisticuffs, he behaved aggressively and he died while falling. On this, as Erylaus was on to attack him, he threw a rock at him, thereby cutting him, whereon he fell headlong to the ground and he passed away. Then he laid low, one after the other, Erymas, Amphoterus, Epaltes, Tlepolemus, Echius son of Damastor, Pyris, lpheus, Euippus and Polymelus son of Argeas. --Iliad Book 16 (By Homer, Butler prose tans., edit by TripletDaddy)
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I figured there were a few continuity errors in there, but my producers were pressuring me to release something quickly to be eligible for Oscar consideration.
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1: inspiring awe 2: filled with awe: as aobsolete : afraid, terrified b: deeply respectful or reverential 3: extremely disagreeable or objectionable <awful food> 4: exceedingly great —used as an intensive <an awful lot of money> — I'm going to assume Waters is referring to defintions 1,2, or 4, and not 3. For example, the scene where the GI fights the Nazi in the loft hand to hand as the GI's comrade, who could rescue him, cowers in fear on the stairs, until finally the Nazi gains the upper hand, and kills the brave GI slowly as he whispers the creepy lullaby, "Easy, easy, it's much better this way; it's almost over, shh" is great art. That is an awful scene, yes, but in a monumental way. Waters, you need to see the movie again if you disagree. (Stories like this are supposed to be a little cheesy and scenes such as I describe above redeem the necessary ingredient of Hollywood sentimentality in SPR completely.)
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I have to agree with SU re: Gladiator. The opening battle is one of the best in cinema. To my knowledge, Gladiator is the only R rated movie quoted from the pulpit in General Conference: "What we do in life echoes in eternity". Last edited by SteelBlue; 10-24-2007 at 07:27 PM. |
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