What do we make of this Iran vs. USA conflict?

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Or you could just continue down the path of being a pariah state. For what purpose? Why not join the modern world?

Why the continuous apocalyptic vision?

You didn’t answer my questions. Easy way out by making multiple vague questions?

We did join the “modern world” but you were the one who blew it. JCPOA was an international agreement and we stuck to it ,for more than a year, after the US unilaterally withdrew from it. May be you are not the “ modern world” as you claim to be.

[Mindfulcoug]

You sound like Trump, using capitals and all. Not going to scare me off or convince me either.

No, you are not in Iran. We kicked you out, remember? But you have your big mouth wide open to swallow us off the map. Should I post a photo of hangry (hungry+ angry) Americans around us or its too obvious??

[Mindfulcoug]

Out of curiosity, are you orange too?

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I’ve got news for Iran. WE ARE NOT IN IRAN. I repeat, we are not in Iran. Leave us alone. Stop trying to rule every country around you. Stop trying to erase Israel from the map. Stop trying to build nuclear weapons while at the same time shouting “DEATH TO AMERICA!”

Any realist political science professor would tell you every country would be doing the same thing in their situation.

Look around. Why do we meddle in everything in Latin America?

RUSSIA, CHINA, IRAN, who doesn't try to dominate their region??

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Religiously controlled governments concern western secular societies. Western societies also eschew patriarchies.

Thus, having a reclusive, religiously controlled patriarchy is difficult for western societies to understand and to trust.

Western involvement in Iran has been distasteful since the CIA overthrow in 1953. I agree with Mike, we shouldn't dictate to people what they don't want.

Don't want feminism? That shouldn't be ours to foist upon someone. Want religion to govern your life? So be it.

The language of Islam is hard for a Western mindset to understand.

Well, its hard for us to understand your system too. The fact that your country is basically breathing money and would do anything and everything to secure the power not for the sake of ordinary people but for a few powerful and yet dictates how to have a “democracy” around the world, is mind blowing.

I am not saying that we are perfect example of modern religious democracy or anything close to that but we are the people who wanted to have democracy like many other nations but you did dirty to us, multiple times, and you can’t expect us to trust you or your democracy.

Look at how in bed you are with the regional dictators. Do you think their people are too stupid to want to have a democracy? What would you do if for example there is a revolution in Saudi Arabia today? Would you help them? Or would you do whatever you can to tear them down like what you have been doing to us?

Living in peace requires respecting each other and respecting each other requires understanding each other, with isolating us you are never going to understand us and there will be no peace because of that.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Mindfulcoug

Well, its hard for us to understand your system too. The fact that your country is basically breathing money and would do anything and everything to secure the power not for the sake of ordinary people but for a few powerful and yet dictates how to have a “democracy” around the world, is mind blowing.

I am not saying that we are perfect example of modern religious democracy or anything close to that but we are the people who wanted to have democracy like many other nations but you did dirty to us, multiple times, and you can’t expect us to trust you or your democracy.

Look at how in bed you are with the regional dictators. Do you think their people are too stupid to want to have a democracy? What would you do if for example there is a revolution in Saudi Arabia today? Would you help them? Or would you do whatever you can to tear them down like what you have been doing to us?

Living in peace requires respecting each other and respecting each other requires understanding each other, with isolating us you are never going to understand us and there will be no peace because of that.

No country has the classical definition of democracy, which means every person votes on every issue and also takes turns serving as the elected official. That is Solon's definition from ancient Greece. It doesn't exist.

The term as used in English misused. I can't tell you what the Farsi term, actually would mean, so maybe the terminology is confused in the translation.

We have a representative republic. And as I have said before, I don't want to change any government and prefer the people have the government that suits them. It's only how those countries impact our relations with allies, even imperfect allies such as Saudi Arabia or Israel, does it matter.

I would like to see the region stabilized, and I am more familiar with Sunni Islam than I am Shia Islam. I understand for example most of Iran is based on the Twelver faith, not the Sevener. I believe a secularization of the entire region would eliminate most of the conflicts. Religion is mostly to blame for the region's conflicts.

We actually have a very large middle class that is benefited by our economy, not just an upper elite as in most countries. An impoverished little Iranian girl, if she founds a company or discovers something wonderful, can dream of becoming and become a billionaire in our country. It is rare but it can happen.

As I observe the rest of the world, the chances of changing which economic sector one comes from, is hard in most other countries. Being middle class in the US means you enjoy a lot of benefits and services. Although I travel extensively, it is the country I am most comfortable living because the standard of living is high.

Do I like many of the politics? No. Yet, I won't be jailed if I protest or scream my dissent (I don't do that but could if I wanted to do so).

[MikeWaters]

The view in America is that Iran is a fomenter of terrorism and conflict, particularly in the Middle East. And they are the prime destabilizer in the region.

Hence Trump backing out of the Obama deal.

What do you expect when the old president wore mom-jeans, and the new president doesn't? Things are going to be different.

You have the neo-con faction that wants to go to war with Iran, but they have been pushed aside because of the Iraq war fiasco. No one in America wants to be in another war in the Middle East.

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

The view in America is that Iran is a fomenter of terrorism and conflict, particularly in the Middle East. And they are the prime destabilizer in the region.

Hence Trump backing out of the Obama deal.

What do you expect when the old president wore mom-jeans, and the new president doesn't? Things are going to be different.

You have the neo-con faction that wants to go to war with Iran, but they have been pushed aside because of the Iraq war fiasco. No one in America wants to be in another war in the Middle East.

We don’t care if he wears mom jeans or male thong, he is the US representative. Respect your damn signature and keep your damn promise.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Mindfulcoug

We don’t care if he wears mom jeans or male thong, he is the US representative. Respect your damn signature and keep your damn promise.

He WAS the US representative. Now he is just a dude wearing mom jeans.

I don't know the language of the contract, but one assumes that one can back out of the contact. Just like right now, Iran is now following the contract as they agreed to with members of the EU.

I guess it would be easier if we had dictators for life, and Iran could deal with the same person for 30 years, sort of like Iran likes to do it.

[Archaea]

Here is a useful primar according to a compilation of 50 experts on Iran.

https://iranprimer.usip.org/frontpage