09-24-2008, 11:32 AM | #31 |
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Speaking of suicides, it was revealed today that my favorite childhood author's death was attributable to an intentional druge overdose.
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Reference please?
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Or just something you made up? Or some folklore.
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Keep in mind when the GA's read his
Mormon Doctrine (first edition), they found 1,100+ errors/things they disagreed with. That's why it was pulled.
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You mean like this BRM quote:
"The late Elder Bruce R. McConkie, formerly of the Quorum of the Twelve, expressed what many Church leaders have taught: “Suicide consists in the voluntary and intentional taking of one’s own life, particularly where the person involved is accountable and has a sound mind. … Persons subject to great stresses may lose control of themselves and become mentally clouded to the point that they are no longer accountable for their acts. Such are not to be condemned for taking their own lives. It should also be remembered that judgment is the Lord’s; he knows the thoughts, intents, and abilities of men; and he in his infinite wisdom will make all things right in due course.” (Mormon Doctrine, Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1966, p. 771; some italics added.)"
What is wrong with what he said here?
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Subsequent quote:
"The late Elder Bruce R. McConkie, formerly of the Quorum of the Twelve, expressed what many Church leaders have taught: “Suicide consists in the voluntary and intentional taking of one’s own life, particularly where the person involved is accountable and has a sound mind. … Persons subject to great stresses may lose control of themselves and become mentally clouded to the point that they are no longer accountable for their acts. Such are not to be condemned for taking their own lives. It should also be remembered that judgment is the Lord’s; he knows the thoughts, intents, and abilities of men; and he in his infinite wisdom will make all things right in due course.” (Mormon Doctrine, Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1966, p. 771; some italics added.)"
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From the handbook re: suicide
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"It is wrong to take a life, even one's own. However, a person who commits suicide may not be responsible for his or her acts. Only God can judge such a matter. Leaders should counsel and compassionately console the family members of a person who has committed suicide. The family, in consultation with the bishop, determines the place and nature of a funeral service for a person who has died under such circumstances. Church facilities may be used." What a heartless, condemning church. Right? Plus you neglected to reference the BRM quote where he said only god knows the mind of the person and God would be just. I guess it didn't fit your agenda?
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I didn't witness the event, so I'll allow for the possibility that it may be folklore. But since it was reported by a very high ranking member of the Church who I will not identify, I don't question its accuracy. Were you expecting a link?
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Interesting........
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Frankly, since we're teetering on the brink of yet another BRM-bashing thread, it would be nice to see some attribution, yes.
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1. extraordinary emotional insensitivity about suicide 2. lack of the most basic common courtesy towards his wife 3. his interest in cataloging all Mormon beliefs and doctrine You may actually come up with someone who is on the autistic continuum, I think it was Lebowski who suggested it was "Aspergerian." If true, I don't see this as condemnatory, I see this as merely explanatory--that the worst of BRM was possibly the product of a form of mental illness, that was far from his control. |
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