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Old 05-06-2008, 05:42 PM   #1
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So Kobe is avg 12 Ft/game....and yet it took all of one game in the series to break a Lakers Free throw record.
Yep. He certainly went to the line a lot in Game1. I don't expect that trend to continue. Tracy McGrady averaged 8.8 FTA/game in the Utah series, but shot 18 in game6 (taking out that game, he averaged 7FTA/game). He averaged 5.4/game during the season this year.

FWIW, in the last three years, Kobe's FTA/game has dropped from 10.2 to 10.0 to 9.1 in 07-08. His FGA/game has also dropped each of those years - although most drastically between the season ending in '06 & the season ending in '07.



In response to the part of the post you added...

No. As I've stated, the preferential treatment exists. I simply don't think it's as prevalent as you apparently do. In fact, I'd suggest that the opposite effect is more prevalent - the scrubs not getting calls they should because they suck.

BTW, you're heading back into the "Rocky's fallback argument" position by adding the word 'irrational' to your question. You'd be far better off if you'd make a rational argument yourself rather than simply mocking the arguments of others. But, you don't seem capable of making such an argument.
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Old 05-06-2008, 06:05 PM   #2
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Yep. He certainly went to the line a lot in Game1. I don't expect that trend to continue. Tracy McGrady averaged 8.8 FTA/game in the Utah series, but shot 18 in game6 (taking out that game, he averaged 7FTA/game). He averaged 5.4/game during the season this year.

FWIW, in the last three years, Kobe's FTA/game has dropped from 10.2 to 10.0 to 9.1 in 07-08. His FGA/game has also dropped each of those years - although most drastically between the season ending in '06 & the season ending in '07.



In response to the part of the post you added...

No. As I've stated, the preferential treatment exists. I simply don't think it's as prevalent as you apparently do. In fact, I'd suggest that the opposite effect is more prevalent - the scrubs not getting calls they should because they suck.

BTW, you're heading back into the "Rocky's fallback argument" position by adding the word 'irrational' to your question. You'd be far better off if you'd make a rational argument yourself rather than simply mocking the arguments of others. But, you don't seem capable of making such an argument.
I absolutely don't think it's rational...even a tiny bit to think that preferential treatment, moreso in the NBA than any of the major sports isn't prevalent.

Since you refuse to believe so, in spite of years of factual history proving me right, you and your "argument" has earned the right to be mocked.
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Old 05-06-2008, 06:08 PM   #3
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I absolutely don't think it's rational...even a tiny bit to think that preferential treatment, moreso in the NBA than any of the major sports isn't prevalent.

Since you refuse to believe so, in spite of years of factual history proving me right, you and your "argument" has earned the right to be mocked.
'years of factual history' = your personal observations, and those personal observations of other biased individuals. Yeah, that's certainly more "factual" and "rational" than statistical evidence showing that it's not as prevalent as you state.

Go on home, now. You're doing more damage to your argument than you are helping it.
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'years of factual history' = your personal observations, and those personal observations of other biased individuals. Yeah, that's certainly more "factual" and "rational" than statistical evidence showing that it's not as prevalent as you state.

Go on home, now. You're doing more damage to your argument than you are helping it.
You're a total moron if you think stats tell the story here. Which of course, is not a surprise even in the slightest given your proclivity for being wrong all the time.

Especially when it comes to superstar treatment.
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Old 05-07-2008, 02:55 PM   #5
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You're a total moron if you think stats tell the story here. Which of course, is not a surprise even in the slightest given your proclivity for being wrong all the time.

Especially when it comes to superstar treatment.
zzzzzzzz.

And yet again, you resort to name-calling and opinion-stated-as-fact as your only argument. One would think you'd give up after getting your ass kicked over & over again. The 'proclivity for being wrong all the time' is certainly something you're an expert in. It surprises me that you're therefore attempting to apply it to me.


It's pretty simple here - IF there IS such a thing as superstar treatment, and that treatment truly was prevalent in the NBA to the extent you claim, it would absolutely show up in the stats. But the fact is, it doesn't. The FACT is, the ONLY thing you have to go on is your personal opinion and your own VERY biased observations.

And that, my friend, is a moronic position to argue from.

When (I won't be holding my breath) you come up with a credible argument that doesn't rely on name-calling or statements based on nothing but the smell of your colon, I'll agree that you're not full of shit.
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Old 05-07-2008, 03:40 PM   #6
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zzzzzzzz.

And yet again, you resort to name-calling and opinion-stated-as-fact as your only argument. One would think you'd give up after getting your ass kicked over & over again. The 'proclivity for being wrong all the time' is certainly something you're an expert in. It surprises me that you're therefore attempting to apply it to me.


It's pretty simple here - IF there IS such a thing as superstar treatment, and that treatment truly was prevalent in the NBA to the extent you claim, it would absolutely show up in the stats. But the fact is, it doesn't. The FACT is, the ONLY thing you have to go on is your personal opinion and your own VERY biased observations.

And that, my friend, is a moronic position to argue from.

When (I won't be holding my breath) you come up with a credible argument that doesn't rely on name-calling or statements based on nothing but the smell of your colon, I'll agree that you're not full of shit.
You actually just proved my point for me.

Again.

Moron.

By all means, please continue. The more you do, the more you prove me right.

Your stunt double imitations of IndyCoug are amusing to watch.
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Old 05-06-2008, 05:24 PM   #7
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Actually, it happens FAR less than the idiotic haters stubbornly insist. Hey look - I can argue just like you!

When you can point to a significant number of 'phantom fouls' called for Kobe, and show that it happens consistently, I'll concede that it happens more often than I currently believe. I won't be holding my breath.


BTW, a few stats to ponder:

Kobe is 2nd in the playoffs in Field Goal Attempts per game, at 22.4.
Kobe is 3rd in the playoffs in Free Throw Attempts per game, at 12.2.

You'd think that, among players with at least 4 FGA per game, he'd be way up there at the top in terms of a FGA to FTA ratio.


After removing players with less than four games played in the playoffs, and then removing players with less than 4 FGA per game, Kobe (1.84) ends up #15 in FGA/FTA. Behind such players as Shaq (which makes sense), Reggie Evans (1.08), Leon Powe (1.26), and Brandon Bass (1.44).


So yes, I'd agree that Kobe might get a call for "superstar treatment" that some others don't. I simply don't believe these calls amount to much.
If you could argue like me you might actually be right once in a blue moon.
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If you could argue like me you might actually be right once in a blue moon.
Keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better.

You don't seem capable of responding to the stats that show you're wrong, so by all means, fall back to making snide comments.
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I really hate the Lakers. I wish I could be more classy and congratulate the Lakers on a great game, but I can't. Damn, that sucked.
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The frustrating thing to watch as a Jazzfan is that you know you need to win 1, probably 2 in LA to take the series. Being within 4 with 3 to play is a great opportunity to get a win. You need to take advantage of those chances.

I am of the opinion that if the Jazz want to win, they have to stop the "other" Lakers. Kome is going to get his. Gasol and Odom will probably combine for 25-35 a night. The key for Utah is going to be not letting anybody else really hurt them. Today Vujacic did, and they paid. I hope this turns into a fun hard-fought series. With the Jazz winning, of course.
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