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I'll canvass the bk lawyers because I simply don't believe it. OTOH, I don't know what the People's Republic of California does.
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Here is my big disappointment with liberally minded individuals who feel compelled to deliver free health care. The debate is dishonest. Nobody will state, we don't know what the problem is and how many persons it affects. It has become polarized and thereby distorted. First, the debate centers on health care and who should pay for it. It does not focus upon health. So in order to garner support for federally funded health care, people manufacture numbers to show why it should be supported and why it is universally needed. And then those persons reading the same phony studies, engage in groupthink and become frustrated with individuals who reject the, "everybody knows and feels," arguments. Mob mentality at its best. I know many, many people and read local bar studies on bankruptcies in Nevada. Here in the Nevada, the significant factors in bankruptcy are an absolutely failed economy, people having purchased homes beyond their current needs in light of changed economics, and job loss or significant income reduction. Are there any bankruptcies related to health care costs? Possibly, but if you know how to negotiate the health care field, there should be next to none. Your debate focuses upon services which government can promise individuals in order to win votes. It's as base as that. When you actually in engage in a discussion regarding health, let me know. That discussion might be more interesting.
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But here's a point about health affecting bankrupticies
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It appears from reading your "studies" that they are nothing more than flawed position papers designed to advance a certain economic and political agenda without actually examination of the "causes" of bankruptcies.
A more careful reading of the factors seems to indicate "overconsumption" which diluted savings necessary to overcome an adverse event. Ill health may contribute due to lost income, and not the actual cost of the medical bills. Way to go, Lefties, spin it wrong so we never get it Right.
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The Harvard Study published in 2005 relied upon filers in 2001 in California, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Texas. Are the reasons for bankruptcy in 2010 the same as they were almost a decade ago?
I'm not certain how valid that is, or how representative that is. I question the the controls employed in that study, as I have read parts of the break-down I find this study of questionable worth. Why don't we have a study of all fifty states for the past ten years?
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Cali's simplistic approach to bankruptcy also ignores how difficult it is to attribute causation to it.
See, e.g., http://www.justice.gov/ust/eo/public...epnumbers.html
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It is ridiculous to read how one misguided, limited, study now becomes the ultimate in popular consciousness on the cause of consumer bankruptcies.
http://www.tfgi.com/201003/the-top-f...or-bankruptcy/ We public are morons in how we assimilate data and "science".
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and then there is this study, which is more comprehensive but still inherently flawed.
http://pnhp.org/new_bankruptcy_study...uptcy-2009.pdf If you know about bankruptcy, and I do a small bit, anybody affiliated with it can see why the study is flawed. This is priceless. Redefine to augment the definition. Quote:
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If we focus upon HEALTH and not Medical Bills, maybe we'll stumble upon a solution, eh? Quote:
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