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WHenever my wifed sees me getting carried away with my sense of self worth she always lobs a getnle but effective pin my way thta pops my balloon. You could use that in your life, or at least on this board.
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No, you've humbled me horribly today. I was just joshing.
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I doubt the first part but sorry I missed the second part.
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Why are you holding in there hoping the LDS church is going to supposedly come around and see the light? See things the way the world would want the church to see them? You baffle me with all of your anti chruch rhetoric and yet you say you are going in for a temple recommend interview? I would find it funny if I weren't saddend by the fact of how much disdain you hold for the church. What could you possibly receive from going to the temple? How could you possibly sit in there with all those "mullahs" and find anything remotely uplifting with all of the animosity you have towards the church? I am totally serious when I say you need to find a religion that will uplift you and at the same time allow you to profess your political and moral views. they are out there, and you would certainly be happier than kicking against the establishment, that you will never change. |
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08-19-2008, 02:18 PM | #36 |
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There will always be those who take more pleasure in finding heretics than converts.
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- Back to the topic at hand, do the GOP leaders actually care about abortion? It seems to me that, with a few exceptions, they're just using us as a pawn in their efforts to stay electable. |
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08-19-2008, 02:56 PM | #38 |
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I have a friend who is a former EQ President, RM, and well versed in Mormonism, moreso than most everyone on this site. He is now a Baptist, and he explained how he felt like worship with the Baptists (not Southern Baptist, but liberal Baptist) was so much more enjoyable and meaningful to him. The crux of it was that he no longer felt comfortable among the Saints, but he did feel comfortable around this new group. That was a foreign notion to me. But it's becoming more understandable. No longer attending the LDS church is not necessarily a renunciation of the restoration, but rather an admission that the fellowship of the Saints has become so painful as to not merit any joy. Oliver Cowdery, for example. How hard was it for him to attend and worship knowing that Joseph was secretly bedding women. Now THAT is a challenge. When something is repugnant--can you stick with it. Should you stick with it?
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GOP leaders is an awful broad category. There are certainly some GOP pols who are passionate about the issue, annually sponsoring RTL constitutional Amendments and so on. The Tom Coburn-types. And there are others who pay lip service. In reality, the only way GOP leaders can really influence the abortion debate is through the judiciary where they have had mixed results.
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08-19-2008, 03:02 PM | #40 | |
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When you point your finger, you have three more pointing right back at you. Cool huh? The inclusion in the Dem platform of language to decrease unwanted pregnancies as a way to decrease abortions (they couldn't even bring themselves to support decreasinng abortions outright) is a very blatant attempt to appease what is left of its pro-life faction and hopefully peel off some evangelicals from the GOP. I would say the GOP position is much more genuine, especially in the face of political and legal realities. At practically every turn Repubs try to limit abortion, whether by limiting government money that goes to such or even proposing legislation to limit availability. If Dems really were serious about "decreasing abortions," they would suggest real measures to do so. They love using the power of government in practically every other area of our lives to affect behavior, yet they are fully hands off in this one.
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