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Clark Addison · 07-02-2008, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Just like it is ok not to vote. Your choice.

All it means is that someone else is doing their civic duty, and you are not.

I don't own a gun. So I guess I'm a slacker.

I also don't publish a newspaper. Does that make me a Communist?

MikeWaters · 07-02-2008, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clark Addison

I don't own a gun. So I guess I'm a slacker.

I also don't publish a newspaper. Does that make me a Communist?

do you support freedom of the press? Do you partake of the news in order to be a better citizen?

MikeWaters · 07-02-2008, 02:23 PM

Owning a gun requires a lot of thought. I don't mean to say that one should glibly buy a gun to do one's duty.

One should research and carefully consider what one is willing to do in the name of freedom against evil and oppression.

For example, the anti-Nephi-Lehis. I think that's a respectable choice of sorts, to bow before the oppressor and give up your life in hopes of ending the cycle of violence.

But I don't think that is what many of you non-gun-owners would like. You want all the protection but none of the responsibility for providing it, none of the tough choices.

TripletDaddy · 07-02-2008, 02:25 PM

This thread has inspired me to form a well-regulated malitia in my town.

It is my civic duty.

MikeWaters · 07-02-2008, 02:27 PM

I should add that I have someone PM me and ask "What shall I do?"

FMCoug · 07-02-2008, 02:31 PM

You've sold me.

In fact, I've been thinking about this for quite some time. I support hte 2nd amendment and have always been more pro-gun than not ... just wasn't raised with it and never had one. But we had an experience at our house recently where there was at least some perceived danger and I felt pretty damn helpless. Never again.

So what should I get and where would be a good place to get training in safety, operation, cleaning, etc.?

I'm leaning towards a shotgun for a few reasons:

1. Cost
2. Less training needed for accuracy / my wife would be more likely to use it if needed
3. The sound of a shell being chambered in a pump action is one EVERYONE knows
4. Skeet/Trap shooting seems like it would be fun.

On the downside, it would be harder to safely store a shotgun vs. a handgun in a small gun safe.

Thoughts?

MikeWaters · 07-02-2008, 02:35 PM

The shotgun you would ideally want for home defense is not the same shotgun that is ideal for skeet/trap.

The shotgun for home defense has a short barrel, and possibly a pistol grip, depending on what you want.

Swinging a 28in barrel around your house isn't going to work, versus an 18in barrel.

If accessible and safely stored, a shotgun is a good choice. But the same principle of your wife needing to practice with it applies just as well as a pistol.

FMCoug · 07-02-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

But the same principle of your wife needing to practice with it applies just as well as a pistol.

I don't dispute that. But the point is that it will take much less practice to be assured you can disable / killl an intruder at a distiance with a shotgun than with a handgun, no?

TripletDaddy · 07-02-2008, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FMCoug

You've sold me.

In fact, I've been thinking about this for quite some time. I support hte 2nd amendment and have always been more pro-gun than not ... just wasn't raised with it and never had one. But we had an experience at our house recently where there was at least some perceived danger and I felt pretty damn helpless. Never again.

So what should I get and where would be a good place to get training in safety, operation, cleaning, etc.?

I'm leaning towards a shotgun for a few reasons:

1. Cost
2. Less training needed for accuracy / my wife would be more likely to use it if needed
3. The sound of a shell being chambered in a pump action is one EVERYONE knows
4. Skeet/Trap shooting seems like it would be fun.

On the downside, it would be harder to safely store a shotgun vs. a handgun in a small gun safe.

Thoughts?

You will definitely need that shotgun living in Kayesville.

MikeWaters · 07-02-2008, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FMCoug

I don't dispute that. But the point is that it will take much less practice to be assured you can disable / killl an intruder at a distiance with a shotgun than with a handgun, no?

maybe yes, maybe no.

For example, in the shotgun are you going to have a round chambered?

Imagine this:
1. find key
2. remove trigger lock
3. pick up shotgun
4. chamber a shell with pump
5. make sure safety is off
6. ready to fire

Versus a glock:
1. hit 1 second combo
2. pick up glock
3. ready to fire

Also, the kick on the 12 gauge might be something your wife would not be comfortable with.

07-02-2008, 02:25 PM	#24
TripletDaddy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 9,483	This thread has inspired me to form a well-regulated malitia in my town. It is my civic duty. __________________ Fitter. Happier. More Productive. "Everyone is against me. Everyone is fawning for 3D's attention and defending him." -- SeattleUte

07-02-2008, 02:31 PM	#26
FMCoug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kaysville, UT Posts: 3,151	You've sold me. In fact, I've been thinking about this for quite some time. I support hte 2nd amendment and have always been more pro-gun than not ... just wasn't raised with it and never had one. But we had an experience at our house recently where there was at least some perceived danger and I felt pretty damn helpless. Never again. So what should I get and where would be a good place to get training in safety, operation, cleaning, etc.? I'm leaning towards a shotgun for a few reasons: 1. Cost 2. Less training needed for accuracy / my wife would be more likely to use it if needed 3. The sound of a shell being chambered in a pump action is one EVERYONE knows 4. Skeet/Trap shooting seems like it would be fun. On the downside, it would be harder to safely store a shotgun vs. a handgun in a small gun safe. Thoughts? __________________ Still fat ...

07-02-2008, 02:23 PM	#23
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,367	Owning a gun requires a lot of thought. I don't mean to say that one should glibly buy a gun to do one's duty. One should research and carefully consider what one is willing to do in the name of freedom against evil and oppression. For example, the anti-Nephi-Lehis. I think that's a respectable choice of sorts, to bow before the oppressor and give up your life in hopes of ending the cycle of violence. But I don't think that is what many of you non-gun-owners would like. You want all the protection but none of the responsibility for providing it, none of the tough choices.

07-02-2008, 02:27 PM	#25
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,367	I should add that I have someone PM me and ask "What shall I do?"

07-02-2008, 02:35 PM	#27
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,367	The shotgun you would ideally want for home defense is not the same shotgun that is ideal for skeet/trap. The shotgun for home defense has a short barrel, and possibly a pistol grip, depending on what you want. Swinging a 28in barrel around your house isn't going to work, versus an 18in barrel. If accessible and safely stored, a shotgun is a good choice. But the same principle of your wife needing to practice with it applies just as well as a pistol.