evidence of the Mormon scientific view

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by ute4ever

I agree that it would appear harder for the Lord to resurrect a cremated body than a not cremated variety, the same way it would technically be "harder" for him to create a diamond than a blade of grass. Slightly more time consuming, I mean. Regardless, no matter what condition our bodies are in, I don't see the resurrection causing Him any sweat whatsoever.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but won't each of us resurrect our own body? That's always been my understanding.

[SteelBlue]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but won't each of us resurrect our own body? That's always been my understanding.

It would really suck if you were one of those WWII guys who was killed somewhere in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. How would you ever find yourself?

[SoCalCoug]

A very interesting lesson here about how people often tend to go beyond the plain interpretation of things.

(Assuming it's an accurate direct quote) here's the quote from the Church Handbook:

Page 155
Cremation
Normally, cremation is not encouraged. However, in some countries the law requires it. The family of the deceased must decide whether to cremate the body, taking into account any laws governing burial or cremation. Where possible, the body of a deceased member who has been endowed should be dressed in temple clothing when the body is cremated (see "Temple Burial Clothing," page 70). A funeral service may be held.

Johnny Lingo interprets the church's stand as follows:

Cremation: The Church is clearly against cremation and always has been. It says as much in the Handbook.

Big Ute interprets the church's stance like this (caveat - this is from Cougarboard, and not this thread, with Dan's quote from the Handbook):

The official church stand is that cremation is discouraged.

It's plain that both have at least read the Church Handbook at some point in the past, and both of their impressions lead them to remember it as something a little different than what is actually said.

I think I see a little more clearly how the restrictions against caffeine came to be.

[SoCalCoug]

Whoops, my bad, Johnny Lingo - you just linked to the quote by El Paso Coug. I shouldn't have attributed the quote to you.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by SteelBlue

It would really suck if you were one of those WWII guys who was killed somewhere in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. How would you ever find yourself?

Yeah, or what if your body got eaten by a bear or a lion. Then you'd have to find it in bear or lion poop.

Not pretty.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I hate to nit-pick here, but I just can't help it.

The body is pretty much vaporized while in the retort. The cremated remains are called ashes, but they really aren't ashes. After a cremation, what is left are bone fragments and perhaps some hardware if the box in which the body was placed had any hardeware.

The bone fragments are then put into a machine called a pulvierizer and are crushed into a powder, which would be what we call ashes.

So how did the mortician in georgia a few years back get the bones into the cement bags at home depot which he then bought back?

Regards,
Brian

[Brian]

Also, do you get your same exact atoms back? What if when you died your decroded flesh atoms were eaten by a gnat, got into his sperm and then into a baby gnat. Would you have to have a fight with the gnat to see who got it?
I probably have a lot of atoms from big strong caveman dude with a big club. he'll win the fight for a lot of the atoms and so when i get resurected i will be missing an ankle, an armpit, 832983 pieces of hair and a bicuspid.

That will really suck.

What if a few of my atoms decay and emit an alpha particle or something? Those will be hard to find. They could be absorbed by another atom and I'd wind up wrestling with a tomato plant over a Boron atom.

Regards,
Brian

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Brian

So how did the mortician in georgia a few years back get the bones into the cement bags at home depot which he then bought back?

Regards,
Brian

I haven't heard that story. What happened? We morticians aren't that tight knit.

[realtall]

Originally Posted by Dan

... Church Handbook of Intructions. In relevant part it reads as follows:

Page 155
Cremation
Normally, cremation is not encouraged. However, in some countries the law requires it. The family of the deceased must decide whether to cremate the body, taking into account any laws governing burial or cremation. Where possible, the body of a deceased member who has been endowed should be dressed in temple clothing when the body is cremated (see "Temple Burial Clothing," page 70). A funeral service may be held.

Interesting choice of words. Is not encouraging it the same as discouraging it? The wording suggests that the church sort of 'leans' against it but not with any semblance of prohibition. I wonder where this 'not encouraging' comes from, whether its doctrinal or whatever.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I haven't heard that story. What happened? We morticians aren't that tight knit.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/02/2...odies/?related

Regards,
Brian