Comparing the homosexual view with the former negro view - Page 3 - cougarguard.com — unofficial BYU Cougars / LDS sports, football, basketball forum and message board

Indy Coug · 08-13-2007, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fusnik11

In the past there were some extremely powerful members of the church, both male and female that were practicing homosexuals.

This is a little off topic, but Adam God IMO, would give solace to homosexuals in this probation as it would increase understanding and rules against certain inherent behaviors.

I disagree with Indy's assertion that the gospel is about creating seed, if so single saints as well as homo-saints are, to use an Indy word, 'fed' not literally but spiritually.

Single saints that are honestly seeking a heterosexual union are still on the right track, even if they have been unsuccessful to date in finding an eternal companion.

I in no way stated nor implied that singles are in the same boat as homosexuals.

Tex · 08-13-2007, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Single saints that are honestly seeking a heterosexual union are still on the right track, even if they have been unsuccessful to date in finding an eternal companion.

I in no way stated nor implied that singles are in the same boat as homosexuals.

Moreover, the creating seed issue goes far beyond mortality. Faithful single saints who, for whatever reason don't have the opportunity here, will doubtless receive that opportunity in the eternities.

YOhio · 08-13-2007, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fusnik11

In the past there were some extremely powerful members of the church, both male and female that were practicing homosexuals.

This is an interesting assertion. Do you have any sources for this, besides Michael Quinn? Outside of speculation regarding John C. Bennett, Evan Stephens and Felt/Anderson, I haven't heard of other extremely powerful leaders as practicing homosexuals.

RC Vikings · 08-13-2007, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex

Moreover, the creating seed issue goes far beyond mortality. Faithful single saints who, for whatever reason don't have the opportunity here, will doubtless receive that opportunity in the eternities.

Do they create a whole world of ugly kids?

Indy Coug · 08-13-2007, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOhio

This is an interesting assertion. Do you have any sources for this, besides Michael Quinn? Outside of speculation regarding John C. Bennett, Evan Stephens and Felt/Anderson, I haven't heard of other extremely powerful leaders as practicing homosexuals.

Additionally, how about evidence that they were able to continue in full fellowship in the church after it was known to leadership that they were practicing homosexuals?

Sleeping in EQ · 08-13-2007, 05:55 PM

A decent case can be made that David was bisexual (although let's be clear--I don't think the ancients thought of sexuality in the starkly distinguished terms we often do today. Kinsey's spectrum of sexuality seems to hold up pretty well to subsequent research--and despite some objections to his methodology).

fusnik11 · 08-13-2007, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOhio

This is an interesting assertion. Do you have any sources for this, besides Michael Quinn? Outside of speculation regarding John C. Bennett, Evan Stephens and Felt/Anderson, I haven't heard of other extremely powerful leaders as practicing homosexuals.

Here is a definitive web site:

http://www.affirmation.org/memorial/...ng_smith.shtml

I think the timeline is interesting.

fusnik11 · 08-13-2007, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex

Moreover, the creating seed issue goes far beyond mortality. Faithful single saints who, for whatever reason don't have the opportunity here, will doubtless receive that opportunity in the eternities.

Doubtless?

Is this not the time for man to prepare to meet God?

If you can't get married here, what guarantee's are givent that these Saints will be taken care of in the life after?

Find me some scriptures that show that non-covenant making Saints in this life will be allowed that concession in the after.

Sleeping in EQ · 08-13-2007, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOhio

This is an interesting assertion. Do you have any sources for this, besides Michael Quinn? Outside of speculation regarding John C. Bennett, Evan Stephens and Felt/Anderson, I haven't heard of other extremely powerful leaders as practicing homosexuals.

Joseph Fielding Smith (not THAT JFS, but a relative), who was Presiding Patriarch of the Church in the 30s and 40s, was gay. I believe his being actively gay was part of his release--but I'm not 100% positive on that. It looks like Fus just linked to an article about this.

JohnnyLingo · 08-13-2007, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fusnik11

Doubtless?

Is this not the time for man to prepare to meet God?

If you can't get married here, what guarantee's are givent that these Saints will be taken care of in the life after?

Find me some scriptures that show that non-covenant making Saints in this life will be allowed that concession in the after.

What the hell are you talking about? Tex said, "If you are unable to have children here, you'll doubtless have that chance in the hereafter."

Where did you get "non-covenant making Saints" from?

08-13-2007, 05:55 PM	#26
Sleeping in EQ Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The People's Republic of Monsanto Posts: 3,085	A decent case can be made that David was bisexual (although let's be clear--I don't think the ancients thought of sexuality in the starkly distinguished terms we often do today. Kinsey's spectrum of sexuality seems to hold up pretty well to subsequent research--and despite some objections to his methodology). __________________ "Do not despise the words of prophets, but test everything; hold fast to what is good; " 1 Thess. 5:21 (NRSV) We all trust our own unorthodoxies. Last edited by Sleeping in EQ; 08-13-2007 at 05:57 PM.