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08-02-2007, 03:59 PM | #21 | |
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The church has not just "abandoned" intellectualism ... it has divested itself in many different ways from all sorts of temporal endeavors. Smith would probably be surprised to visit a 21st century LDS stake and find no polygamy, no communal living, and no consecration (in the terms he defined it). The conversion from "gather to Zion" to "stay where you are" would likewise probably perplex Brigham Young. The church has and is adapting to an organization that must provide the saving ordinances and doctrines to multiple millions of people, and multiples of millions yet to come. And it is apparent that the church Jesus eventually visits will look very different from the one Joseph might have first envisioned. Long story short, the intellectualism of times past doesn't fit with the mission of the modern church. "Leave the intellectualism to the intellectuals and focus instead on things of eternity", seems to be today's guideline. I can't say I disagree with it.
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08-02-2007, 04:31 PM | #22 | |
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Sure, the church of Joseph Smith and today's LDS church are very different (they don't even have the same name). But why wouldn't intellectualism "fit with the mission of the modern church"? Have the intellectual teachings/musings of early LDS leaders been discredited? I doubt it, judging by the way LDS venerate their early members. What I'm so clumsily trying to say is that it's a mixed message. Intellectualism seems to be both okay and not okay - depending on the conclusions. This is antithetical to the rationalistic approach.
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08-02-2007, 04:36 PM | #23 | |
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No, to be learned is good so long as you agree with certain leaders who are not as tolerant as the tolerant leaders.
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Poppycock. None of what you say is true.
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08-03-2007, 02:16 PM | #26 | |
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08-03-2007, 02:26 PM | #27 |
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Maybe once you get enough members regularly attending the temple, then maybe you're finally in a position to be able to properly "dig a little".
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08-03-2007, 02:36 PM | #28 | |
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The difference is, that scholarship is no longer mixed with ecclesiastical preaching. |
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08-03-2007, 03:42 PM | #29 |
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My question with this is... people in times past continued to receive revelation and they weren't any better at following the prophets than we are. Is a god dicriminatory? Are we held to a higher standard?
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08-03-2007, 03:47 PM | #30 | |
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Not to mention the way some LDS use intellectual arguments when they're convenient, and then discard them for the non-quantifiable "emotion" argument when they're not.
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