06-12-2008, 09:25 PM | #21 | |
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I'm not interested in a bunch of sophistry about how I'm misreading the Pearl of Great Price. So all you newly minted apologists hold your fingers.
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Mike is an ass, but am I understand that character trait is somehow offensive to you? Find another angle. In this case it appears that Millett said something that has no support. I don't think evaluating his motivation to be less than pure is so far off the mark. Right now his defense is that you, an admitted defender of what "The Church" does, remember him as a wholesome and kind man. Not real compelling, IMO.
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06-12-2008, 09:42 PM | #23 | |
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As to the specific point of Abel and Joseph Smith, I'm happy to concede it given the lack of evidence. Like you, it doesn't much matter to me where it begins, be it JS or BY. It wasn't really the crux of Mike's stupid point to begin with (I'd love to hear someone justify how Millet's "mistake" qualifies as "priestcraft"). Last edited by Tex; 06-12-2008 at 09:44 PM. |
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you mean other than the text of the Pearl of Great Price itself?
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Where Millet goes wrong, or at least gets sloppy, is linking JS's "restricting" of Abel's priesthood with the PoGP, where no "restriction" exists, or at least for which he offers no evidence.
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I asked him to support his claim that Joseph Smith restricted Elijah Abel's ability to exercise the Priesthood that had been conferred to him. Millett had no support for his claim that Joseph Smith did such. He assumed that Smith had done it and then offered the PoGP as theological support for Smith's actions.
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You're gonna be hard pressed to apply that to Millet based on this one murky issue. Waters is the type who assumes the worst about everyone with whom he disagrees. He's the most self-righteous mullah of any among us. I'm not going to excuse his juvenile behavior for the sake of one religion teacher's alleged bad judgment. |
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06-12-2008, 10:18 PM | #29 |
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A FREAKING MEN!!!!!!!
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Bad judgment? If he still works for BYU, he ought to come out with an apology, or be fired.
Period. I do respect the man, though, for basically admitting to GN that he out and out lied. It was 10 years ago. Maybe he has grown as a human being. Somehow I doubt it. While two of you are "flabbergasted" I take that as code for "appalled." Yes, I am appalled as well. Last edited by MikeWaters; 06-12-2008 at 10:24 PM. |
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