Obama worshippers, that means you Cali

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by ChinoCoug

you're more obssessed with Obama than anyone else. Cali has yet to use homoerotic imagery to describe him.

Because I see him as a threat to our way of life. He could change the landscape and so I fear his presidency. There could be nothing to hold him back from demagoguery.

I'm growing to detest him.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

A "person." There is the issue (at least the first part of the issue).

I believe life begins at conception. The law as it's written today may disagree with me, but I will always consider abortion murder.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by ERCougar

Actually, in the medical world, a miscarriage is called exactly that--a spontaneous abortion.

Just nit-picking.

True, but how many women make the conscience choice to miscarry?

[Flystripper]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I believe life begins at conception. The law as it's written today may disagree with me, but I will always consider abortion murder.

is taking a birth control pill murder?

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Flystripper

is taking a birth control pill murder?

No.

It is a means to prevent pregnancy, not terminate it.

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

No.

It is a means to prevent pregnancy, not terminate it.

Actually...(am i getting annoying yet?)

in up to 20% of cases, the pill functions to prevent implantation, not fertilization. There are many women who still ovulate on the pill. I think if more women knew this, they might be a little more hesitant to start the pill.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by ERCougar

Actually...(am i getting annoying yet?)

in up to 20% of cases, the pill functions to prevent implantation, not fertilization. There are many women who still ovulate on the pill. I think if more women knew this, they might be a little more hesitant to start the pill.

Not annoying at all. In fact, my wife was on the pill when she became pregnant with our two oldest kids.

[Flystripper]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

No.

It is a means to prevent pregnancy, not terminate it.

as I understand it, most birth control pills are of the "low dose" estrogen variety which often prevent implantation of the ovum while not preventing actual conception.

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Not annoying at all. In fact, my wife was on the pill when she became pregnant with our two oldest kids.

Yeah, it definitely fails occasionally. I'm saying in 20% of the cases where it works (i.e. no pregnancy), it is preventing a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. Doesn't affect my view of the pill, but I guarantee there are women on the pill out there who would object to preventing pregnancy in this way. Most women think it prevents the release of eggs (and therefore the fertilization of eggs).

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by Flystripper

as I understand it, most birth control pills are of the "low dose" estrogen variety which often prevent implantation of the ovum while not preventing actual conception.

Exactly. Although I'm not sure the level of estrogen really affects the mechanism.