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Then I'm not a zoob. I care quite a bit about this particular thing. I've had conversations with several of my female friends at the Y about education, raising a family, and this very topic, especially now, as a number of them are graduating. I find your characterizations to be inconsistent with what I have seen on the ground. I also find your assertions to be tainted with hubris. Why is it that when it comes to understanding how women at BYU think, a woman can't understand, and a BYU student can't care, but a doctor in Texas can see it all?
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What, specifically, do you not see? Mike is a bit all over the place here so I am not sure which issue you are arguing.
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When you have managed to upset the feminists, the non-feministists, the LDS, the non-LDS, the zoobs, and the non-zoobs, you are probably close to a real nugget of truth.
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Either that or you're as wrong as is possible.
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I'm not upset. I just think you're wrong. And when feminists, non-feminists, LDS, non-LDS, zoobs, and non-zoobs think you're wrong, it does not necessarily follow that you are right.
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You say there's an entire cadre of LDS girls with no intention of becoming educated or using that education in a vocation. Do you believe there is a higher percentage of such girls than is typical? How much more? So much so that it crosses the threshold of institutional repression? To what degree would it need to be reversed to duck back under an acceptable threshold?
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2. Significantly more. 3. I know for certain there was institutional repression when I was at BYU. It's harder for me to speak to now, given that it is a decade later, but given that the fundamental aspects of the parent organization are not different and that cultures and educational institutions change very slowly, it would be shocking to me if there has been a sea-change. 4. I don't know that I am asking it to be "reversed". I am asking for a safe place for girls that don't fit the SAHM mold, in both the church and at BYU. If you do not prepare your daughters for the negative messages they will get at BYU, shame on you. This is not anything different than I have been saying for years. |
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I also agree with you on part of point four, that the tendency does not necessarily need to be reversed. It may even be a good thing, all things considered. But let me ask that you further elaborate on point 3. What was the nature of this institutional repression? How did it manifest itself? Who were its primary conveyors? What happened to those who tried to buck the trend?
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