Palestinian Right of Return

[T Blue]

IMO peace is not even a possibility in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, religion is involved and both sides believe they are doing Gods will.

The Israelis kicked the Palestines Asses out and have built up some very sweet digs, now the Palestinians want the Israelis to give them the land back just because they were once inhabitants there.

It doesn't matter how the land was gotten, the Israelis are not going to just roll over and hand it back, they won't do it.

Palestine has no more claim over the land than the Native American Indians do on the land in the US; doesn't matter how the land was placed into the present occupiers hands, it is still the present occupiers lands.

God is going to have to sort this one out.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Israel needs to make some moves to show it is acting in good faith.

1. stop building the wall.
2. pass laws against discrimination of Arab Israeli citizens, and enforce them.
3. give the Palestinians back much of their water.
4. allow Palestinians freedom of movement

Palestinians in turn need to turn down the violence and the rhetoric (same goes with the Israelis).

Agreed. I would add:

5) Stop building new settlements
6) Dismantle existing settlements

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

It just goes to show how few cards the Palestinians have. All they really have is violence. They have no power otherwise, nothing to offer, because everything has already been taken.

Bingo.

[MikeWaters]

Yes, I agree on 5 and 6. To the point that I thought it was implied.

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by galapagos

You also have to keep in mind that those palestinians that live in Jordan don't really want to come back to poverty and live under Hisballah

Isnot Hizbullah operating in Lebanon ,trying to defend their own country infront of the invaders? (where is Liberman ,when you need him?)

Originally Posted by galapagos

Those who live in Gaza strip also dont wanna live there, they'd rather go live in Egypt but guess what? Egypt DOESN'T want them! No arab country wants them. only Iran and Lebanon help them with money and why? Cos they want to destroy Israel. Iran and Lebanon do not send money for food and clothes but for weapons.

Iranians are eccentric .I agree.they do have wrong habits ."they love to support unwanted people" ,and it has as much to do with thier origin as thier religion.

From 539 BCE ,when Cyrus the Great liberated oppressed jews and helped them to return to thier homeland ,gaved them the grant from the imperial treasury and also from his own personal fortune , and financially supported them to rebuild thier temple ..till our current time when an escalated war in Afghanistan made a well worth of 2.3 million of Afghani refugess pour to Iran and again during Iraq war , when thousands of exilled iraqies entered the country ...Iran patiently has been carrying this heavey burden almost alone. yes ,we love unwanted people ,but you, fighting with people who already in food ,water and life facilites shortage says alot.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Israel needs to make some moves to show it is acting in good faith.

1. stop building the wall.
2. pass laws against discrimination of Arab Israeli citizens, and enforce them.
3. give the Palestinians back much of their water.
4. allow Palestinians freedom of movement

Palestinians in turn need to turn down the violence and the rhetoric (same goes with the Israelis).

It just goes to show how few cards the Palestinians have. All they really have is violence. They have no power otherwise, nothing to offer, because everything has already been taken.

Ok, Israel does 1-4, now are they guaranteed peace???? What if the Palestinian radicals continue with their belief Israel needs to be totally vanquished.

[MikeWaters]

that's what you republicans don't understand. No profit without risk.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

that's what you republicans don't understand. No profit without risk.

So human life = financial capital?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

So human life = financial capital?

where are the Israelis sacrificing their lives? How do any of these moves put Israel in more danger?

If you want to take out freedom of movement, fine. take it out.

Israel holds all the cards, and yet asks Palestine to move first. How?

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

For Lebowski or anyone else, name one thing the Palestinians have done in the recent or even not-so-recent past that could be construed as a legitimate effort to ingratiate themselves with the American public? On the contrary, everything they do and say only serves to drive that wedge deeper.

The cruel and callous Americans don't weep for Palestine enough? Stop voting in terrorist organizations like the PLO and Hamas to lead your country. Stop having hubbly-bubbly parties when the WTC comes down. Stop associating primarily with countries that actively work to undermine our government and support terrorists that have launched attacks against the American people. Stop having TV shows with some bastardized Mickey Mouse figure proselyting to suicide bombers in embryo. Stop purposely targeting Israeli civilians instead of Israeli soldiers. Stop using cowardly suicide bomber attacks instead of armed militia fighting like men.

Israel is doing a lot of things wrong, but Americans will never warm up to the Palestinian people; and it's the Palestinians own damn fault.

There is only one thing Israeli part should care to stop ..stop being a brutal occupier ,and you wont have to deal with any of this debatable long list accusations.

but i think you have made a very clever point in here .how about giving palestinians enough arms to defend thier territory .so they wont have to beg stones to defend thier right to live.

[Mindfulcoug]

Lets see what Norman Finkelstein, a Jewish American political scientist ,has to say in this regard.