Ah, the party of free speech......

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Rickomatic

How is this a FACT? It may be a belief or a feeling or even a perception, but not a fact.

how is any cause and effect in history a fact?

he didn't like what a newspaper was doing, he broke into it and destroyed it.

because he broke the law, they finally had the excuse to charge him with a crime. He became a fugitive. He was finally arrested and then killed in jail.

There were many reasons for the killers to hate JS, but his destruction of the press was the proximate cause to finally take him in and kill him.

Certainly he didn't deserve to be executed or be killed by a mob, but there is really no good argument that says he had the right to destroy that press. It was a terrible miscalculation on his part.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by BlueK

true. not a fact. Many have speculated it's a reason the mobbers killed him but it's not like they wouldn't have found some other reason.

if he had believed in free speech, whole-heartedly, he would not have destroyed the press. And if he had not, the events that led to his death in Carthage would not have occurred.

Would he have been murdered in some other way? Who knows.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

And if he had not, the events that led to his death in Carthage would not have occurred.

Like anyone can even know that, Napoleon.

[Rickomatic]

I am just saying, that was an excuse, not a fact.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by creekster

Like anyone can even know that, Napoleon.

Good argument, take it to the folks at FAIR.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

if he had believed in free speech, whole-heartedly, he would not have destroyed the press. And if he had not, the events that led to his death in Carthage would not have occurred.

Would he have been murdered in some other way? Who knows.

Of course Joseph had no solid historical basis to fear about the mob actions brought about by local media whipping its denizens into a violent fury.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Rickomatic

I am just saying, that was an excuse, not a fact.

Oh, you mean that they used it as an excuse to kill him? Sure.

Did he break the law? Yes. Should there have been some kind of punishment? Yes. Should he have been killed? No.

The destruction of the press presaged a chain of events that unfortunately led to his death. I don't think any historian would argue that the press destruction was not an IMPORTANT piece of the chain.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Good argument, take it to the folks at FAIR.

Touchy, touchy. Sorry I am failing to meet your standards today. ANd you KNOW it, how?

[Rickomatic]

But I would. The mobs were looking for any excuse. Saying one thing was the reason he was killed is a bit too simplifying.

[Tex]

This has been a picture perfect hijack.