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The provocative manner in which you pose your query/statement implies the following, "you wish that America would stand for something [melodramatic music please]", meaning you wish that America would act against her self-interests to advance the self-interests of other nations so that the citizens of European nations could have a warm fuzzy about America. Now global politics may dictate that sometimes America must go along to get along, in terms of Realpolitik or pragmatics, but that's in line with its self-interests. And if America never will take a personal that is moral stand, that is because it's not a person, but collective unit of persons organized and disorganized with no single individual having a universal interest or position. You are projecting your personal feelings onto a object or process which is not suited for your projection. Your proposition of "taking a stand" is a non sequitur.
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Let me help you out here:
America will not stand for democracy and freedom in other lands (and increasingly in its own land) if this impinges on $. |
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The original doctrine was that those with democracies would become our allies. And by making them our allies we would not be at war and we could all live in peace. But even our allies will compete feverishly enough that we might see a slip away from "friendship" and then some in our society will court "intervention", and so goes on. That is a course of history, nation-states seeking power over one another for the sake of economic superiority. And so shall it ever be. To your original point, perhaps our economic and hence personal security is best-served by not intervening into the affairs of others. We can see many arguments pro and con. Usually we seem to get it wrong when we intervene, but working with a non-democracy has its pitfalls as well. Your statement is again intentionally provocative loaded with unprovable assumptions but not necessarily representative of the history of nations. Is America more benign than most super-powers? I submit yes, because we do some charity. Reviewing the course of history, no other nation state ever did much else than exploit its dominion. There is some semblance of trying under our dominion, even if it is half-hearted.
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The interesting thing is the game of pretend. We pretend to be moral, we pretend to stand for freedom. That's what I find interesting.
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11-13-2007, 02:37 PM | #16 |
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In other words, you're wholly American.
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What else would you expect from the body politic? I expect nothing more, nothing less.
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To be a little more precise: America will not stand for democracy and freedom in other lands if it impinges on its own interests, among which is $.
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