Should sports at all levels be desegregated?

[minn_stat]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

That is women and mens sports combined?

These feminists argue "yes".

http://www.amazon.com/Playing-Boys-S...7476298&sr=8-1

Just as an aside, when I was in the 5th grade, we all ran the 50 yard dash, and if I'm not mistaken, I was first place, tied with a girl.

Meaning that girl ran faster than every boy in the school except me. Pretty exceptional.

Then boys hit puberty and the gap widens quite significantly.

I say bring it on, see what happens.

If you truly believe the feminist version of equality, this is the logical outcome. Otherwise, it is "separate but equal", just like the deep South was pre-1960s.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

That is women and mens sports combined?

These feminists argue "yes".

http://www.amazon.com/Playing-Boys-S...7476298&sr=8-1

Just as an aside, when I was in the 5th grade, we all ran the 50 yard dash, and if I'm not mistaken, I was first place, tied with a girl.

Meaning that girl ran faster than every boy in the school except me. Pretty exceptional.

Then boys hit puberty and the gap widens quite significantly.

I say bring it on, see what happens.

Even before puberty, boys kill girls in all sports. Girls might be able to hang through 1st grade but that's about it. Even in track. The fastest boys are faster than the fastest girls.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by jay santos

Even before puberty, boys kill girls in all sports. Girls might be able to hang through 1st grade but that's about it. Even in track. The fastest boys are faster than the fastest girls.

My daughter can beat every boy in her school in basketball (she is in 6th grade). She and her friends routinely look for pickup games during recess just so that they can thump on some boys for fun. One day she and one friend took on seven fifth-grade boys and still beat the crap out of them. I tell her to get her licks in now, because it most certainly won't last forever.

[Archaea]

At comparable levels boys or men will defeat girls or women. So what.

However, a great girl can defeat many a boy.

In our high school, we had a national, Olympic caliber girl runner who ran about a 2:02 in the 800. Our good guy runners could do that, but it wasn't easy.

I notice a big difference in the sprints, where muscle mass plays a distinct role.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

My daughter can beat every boy in her school in basketball (she is in 6th grade). She and her friends routinely look for pickup games during recess just so that they can thump on some boys for fun. One day she and one friend took on seven fifth-grade boys and still beat the crap out of them. I tell her to get her licks in now, because it most certainly won't last forever.

I know we've been through this before. Where we live, I have a good handle on the athletes both boys and girls in that age range that cover a high school boundary, through my kids involvement on super league teams and through coaching myself. There's not a single girl in the 7th grade that would contribute on the boys 6th grade super league teams--basketball and soccer. The 5th grade boys soccer team played the 7th grade girls soccer team and hammered them. A team of 7th grade girls would struggle to ever get the ball past the half court line against the 6th grade boys team. Tackle football would be a slaughter. This difference became apparent much younger. The strength difference kicks in about 3rd grade. I'm really not partial because I have both a son and a daughter that are on the super league teams. Maybe we should have our teams scrimmage sometime.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by jay santos

I know we've been through this before. Where we live, I have a good handle on the athletes both boys and girls in that age range that cover a high school boundary, through my kids involvement on super league teams and through coaching myself. There's not a single girl in the 7th grade that would contribute on the boys 6th grade super league teams--basketball and soccer. The 5th grade boys soccer team played the 7th grade girls soccer team and hammered them. A team of 7th grade girls would struggle to ever get the ball past the half court line against the 6th grade boys team. Tackle football would be a slaughter. This difference became apparent much younger. The strength difference kicks in about 3rd grade. I'm really not partial because I have both a son and a daughter that are on the super league teams. Maybe we should have our teams scrimmage sometime.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. I would never contend that girls can routinely compete with boys, especially if you try to frame the argument around "super league teams". I am just saying that your statement earlier in the thread about boys dominating girls at first grade and beyond (3rd grade now?) has exceptions.

In fairness, I should state that the boys in my daughter's school around her age aren't particularly athletic for some reason. I kind of doubt any of them would make it on an elite b-ball team. And my daughter is probably one of the top five girls in the state at her age. So that probably explains the phenomenon.

That being said, if I took the top three girls on my AAU team against three random boys from your team, the girls would probably lose, but I am confident that they would get the ball past half-court plenty of times.

[RockyBalboa]

When I worked at FranklinCovey we used to play bball in their gym all the time.

The Jazz used to practice there before they built the Zion's Bank Basketball Center.

Back in the day when the WNBA Utah Starzz were in town their players used to come out all the time and on occasion would scrimmage with us,,,,until they got in trouble for doing so...anyway.......it rarely took little effort to beat them.

The only one who would get really physical and upset is Natalie Williams...that girl is a brutish amazon....having said that,,,with her being one of the "WNBA Elite" at the time....even she wasn't that good.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

When I worked at FranklinCovey we used to play bball in their gym all the time.

The Jazz used to practice there before they built the Zion's Bank Basketball Center.

Back in the day when the WNBA Utah Starzz were in town their players used to come out all the time and on occasion would scrimmage with us,,,,until they got in trouble for doing so...anyway.......it rarely took little effort to beat them.

The only one who would get really physical and upset is Natalie Williams...that girl is a brutish amazon....having said that,,,with her being one of the "WNBA Elite" at the time....even she wasn't that good.

I've never played against WNBA but I played against women college players before, and they had no chance to compete with the guys at my level. I was a starter but not a star for an average 5A Utah HS team. Due to the strength and athleticism difference, a female center would need to be at least 3-4" taller than the male counterpart to matchup in the paint. A solid 6'6" athletic, buff male center would dominate. So based on that, I agree with DDD and infer that a decent HS team could handle the WNBA champions.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. I would never contend that girls can routinely compete with boys, especially if you try to frame the argument around "super league teams". I am just saying that your statement earlier in the thread about boys dominating girls at first grade and beyond (3rd grade now?) has exceptions.

In fairness, I should state that the boys in my daughter's school around her age aren't particularly athletic for some reason. I kind of doubt any of them would make it on an elite b-ball team. And my daughter is probably one of the top five girls in the state at her age. So that probably explains the phenomenon.

That being said, if I took the top three girls on my AAU team against three random boys from your team, the girls would probably lose, but I am confident that they would get the ball past half-court plenty of times.

I gotcha. I thought you were contending my point that boys are better than girls at that age. The difference starts, IMO, at about K or 1st grade and the gap widens from there, but I agree the gap is narrow enough at that age that the distributions of skill level will have plenty of overlap to find cases like your girls. Top five in the state. That is very impressive. We have brothers and sons of former college players, but we don't have anyone like that on our team. But we could still take the girls.

[MikeWaters]

Would it be depressing to have a daughter who was best in state in basketball. Then you attend her college games and there are 200 people in the stands?

I think it would be depressing. Is there a women's sport that is appreciated and supported? I would steer her towards those sports.