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View Poll Results: Great Apostasy? | |||
Yes, the Original Truth was fully revealed and lost through the machinations of men | 7 | 46.67% | |
Yes the Pristine Church was perfect and corrupted by orthodox | 2 | 13.33% | |
No, the early Church was in its infancy and lacked direction | 2 | 13.33% | |
No the early Church had priesthood keys which were lost, but did not result in a great apostasy | 4 | 26.67% | |
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07-06-2008, 08:49 PM | #11 | |
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Although the Roman Catholic Church would argue that their priesthood has remained intact, in a line of traceable succession, back to Peter. Today's LDS apostles also claim a line of priesthood authority back to Peter, but they reassure us that the apostasy won't happen again. I'm sure St. Eleutherius (Pope #13) would also have also dismissed any suggestion of widespread Christian apostasy. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm
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Paine was hard core atheist. He loathed Christianity, whatever gloss you want to put on it, thought the Bible was a fable. Back then, that meant you were an atheist, as atheist as it got. Seriously, can you give me a quote where he invokes God?
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07-06-2008, 09:57 PM | #13 | |
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But the thought all good was lost is the primary thought which ultimately conveyed by many Mormons when they use the term "Great Apostasy."
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07-06-2008, 10:00 PM | #14 |
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Source on who says "all good was lost" in the Apostacy. TIA.
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07-06-2008, 10:00 PM | #15 |
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Well, I'm not afraid to reject that notion as blatantly false. But I don't think that thought was ever the church's official position on the apostasy. It's been a while since I read Talmage's book, but I don't remember even him being THAT absolutist.
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It's been a while since I've read Talmage, so my impressions may be mistaken. In fact, I haven't read it since 1979. But the distinct impression I was left was this, "priesthood lost, God's grace lost and Christianity went gravely astray."
We continue to portray the history between Christ and Joseph Smith as one big dark era. It may not have been so bluntly stated, but that is the impression I was left with. What does TIA mean?
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07-06-2008, 10:12 PM | #17 | |
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I agree that the impression may be perpetuated by church members, which may be the point Arch is trying to get at in this thread. I'll be happy to do away with the notion that Catholicism is THE Great and Abominable Whore, sans any form of light and truth.
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07-06-2008, 11:15 PM | #19 | |
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The last 100 years were probably the bloodiest in the past 3,000 years. So yes, I guess you could say the RCC brought us to this, with the specter of nuclear holocaust over our heads. |
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And at the time of Christ, we lived in idyllic peace?
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