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[exUte]

Originally Posted by Ma'ake

McCain is not? What about Romney?

Regarding Mitt, we had two folks here who worked with him during the Olympics. One told me she saw Mitt go off on an F-bomb laden tirade, the other started to relate some stories, then caught herself (as a PR pro) saying "....let's just say he's not who you think he is." One worked with him on the Olympic committee, the other involved in some logistical management.

In terms of elitism, how many folks do you work with who aren't elitist, to some extent or another? Unless you drive trucks or work in a bakery, you're striving to become elite, that's the American ambition.

For that matter, a huge chunk of the LDS world is striving to become an LDS elite, ala big house on the hill, leadership increasingly vertical in the hierarchy, be one of the "select", have your kids have multiple high-society spousal options, go to BYU, earn millions, etc.

That's elitism, ain't it?

either get on the train or get out of the way!

[exUte]

Originally Posted by CardiacCoug

Mitt Romney seems to me like exactly the type of guy capable of launching an F-bomb laden tirade if somebody screws up.

It's funny to me that anybody would be surprised by that.

My brother in law was in attendance. Yes, my BIL is elitest as well. He went to years and years of medical school and now makes plenty of jack and owns a house in the hills.

I guess he could have just sat around and whined about everyone passing him up.

[MikeWaters]

I have had a f-bomb tirade before.

Sorry to surprise.

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by Ma'ake

McCain is not? What about Romney?

Now, there's a middle-class ticket right there.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I have had a f-bomb tirade before.

Sorry to surprise.

You're not the person we thought your were.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

Now, there's a middle-class ticket right there.

Honestly, do we really want middle-class people running the country?

I'm okay with people that have taken risks and actually acheived something in life. Despite my seeming antipathy toward Obama, I do respect his having done what he has done. He took risks, he navigated the system and came out on top. And despite his wife's repeated statements, they've done pretty well by that "he didn't go to Wall Street and I left corporate America to serve people" strategy.

[Ma'ake]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I have had a f-bomb tirade before.

Sorry to surprise.

Yeah, but you don't attempt to deceive, as in "ah shucks, I don't remember, I may have said H-E-double-hockey-sticks, but I just lost my temper for a second, and shouldn't have"

You just come out & say "bullshit", or drop F-bombs, or whatever, and admit it if anyone asks.

Honesty is admirable.

[MikeWaters]

I try not to cuss. But some of the judging and reffing at the Olympics was awful.

[Ma'ake]

Originally Posted by creekster

Elitism is not simply seeking success. Elitism is an attitude. It is the belief that your opinion matters more because you are smarter, or wiser or more able than others. It is the belief that the masses are asses and you are not of the masses and must guide them, help them, lead them to a better world and a better life, even if they disagree and reject your approach. It is SU feeling the urge to help us deceived believers, because he knows better and we are simply unable to figure it out for ourselves.

My grandfather drove a delivery truck for a bakery, BTW, and he was definitely not an elitist, but he strived to achieve as much as he could for his family as long as he lived.

In other words, it is a very big group, including know-it-all moralistic dentists, pretty much every politician, most lawyers... essentially anyone who from a position of economic or social or (perceived) moral or ideological superiority judges those "beneath", isn't it?

I would rule out Mother Theresa and Gordon B. Hinckley outright. Damn near everyone else of any kind of level of success and judgement is suspect.

"When I went to college I didn't take any money from WIC, worked all night, took a full load, got straight A's and now I'm a millionaire. If some of the supposed 'downtrodden' would step up & get a work ethic, they wouldn't have to depend on a government handout."

Elitist, on the face of it.

Anyone who adversely judges any other group is a kind of elitist, of some sort.

[BYU71]

So we can debate all over the place about their personalities and if they are rich or elite.

Bottom line is they are all politicians and would lie through their teeths to get elected and stab anyone in the back they had to to get elected. MCCain, Barak, Biden and Romney all would.

Now we have established that, Obama is definitely leans in a socialist, call it progressive if you want, philosophy to cure the countries ills and create fairness for all. If you look at most socialist on on end to the extreme of socialism which is communism, there is no fairness for all. Maybe you creat more lower middle class and less poor, but you wipe out the upper middle class. You are left with middle class and lower middle class, plus the elite, rich and aristocrats.

Your ability to move up the latter becomes much harder unless you slide into the entertainment sector of the culture.

If you already have it made, you should have no fear of Obama. You can live like the elite in Europe. If you don't have it made and want to have it made, move to some developing country.