McCain's troubles are just beginning

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by RC Vikings

It may come down to who can say the least until November. After Bush the Dems should win going away but Obama and Clinton have proven they can't keep out of their own way. This throws it back to McCain and every time he talks he loses a little more of the conversative base. It's time for all three campaigns to shut it down, it may improve their numbers.

I would have thought the conversative base would appreciate him talking.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

He lost nearly a third of the vote to candidates who aren't even running! People actually woke up, drove to the polls and voted for people who can't possibly be the nominee anymore. That IS a negative.

As I said. Priceless spin.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

As I said. Priceless spin.

I think you may struggle to understand the difference between fact and spin.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

I think you may struggle to understand the difference between fact and spin.

Percentage of PA primary won by George W. Bush in 2000? 72%
Percentage of PA primary won by Al Gore in 2000? 74%
Percentage of PA primary won by John Kerry in 2004? 74%

Heh.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

Percentage of PA primary won by George W. Bush in 2000? 72%
Percentage of PA primary won by Al Gore in 2000? 74%
Percentage of PA primary won by John Kerry in 2004? 74%

Heh.

Bush lost PA in 2000. And Gore and Kerry struggled to win PA in both years, despite the fact that it is a traditional Dem stronghold (not to mention that turnout was much higher in this election than in 2000 with 216,000 voting against McCain in 2008 compared to 160,000 against Bush in 2000, with 145,000 of those going to McCain).

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Bush lost PA in 2000. And Gore and Kerry struggled to win PA in both years, despite the fact that it is a traditional Dem stronghold.

PA primary, 1992, Bill Clinton: 57%
PA primary, 1992, George Bush: 76%

I couldn't find the percentages, but Reagan didn't even win PA in the 1980 primary.

Also, I finally bothered to have a look at the 2008 PA results, and 16% of the vote went to Ron Paul.

Ron Paul.

You can't seriously use Ron Paul voters as representative of the conservative Republican base and McCain's "troubles." In fact, it's really hard to see how this result is predictive of anything at all.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

The media is so enjoying the prolonged Dem race that they haven't stopped to notice that McCain only received 73% of the vote in the Republican primary. 27% of Pennsylvanians (over 200,000 voters) went to the polls just to vote AGAINST the guy who was guaranteed to win the nomination.

Republicans are going to be sorely disappointed in November. Particularly those like Myboynoah who think the Dems are throwing this thing away.

There is a difference between a send a message vote and voting for Barak or Hillary vs McCain. If you think the 27% that didn't vote for McCain are going to vote for a democrat, you are dreaming.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by BYU71

There is a difference between a send a message vote and voting for Barak or Hillary vs McCain. If you think the 27% that didn't vote for McCain are going to vote for a democrat, you are dreaming.

Vote for a Dem? No. Stay home? Yes.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

PA primary, 1992, Bill Clinton: 57%
PA primary, 1992, George Bush: 76%

I couldn't find the percentages, but Reagan didn't even win PA in the 1980 primary.

Also, I finally bothered to have a look at the 2008 PA results, and 16% of the vote went to Ron Paul.

Ron Paul.

You can't seriously use Ron Paul voters as representative of the conservative Republican base and McCain's "troubles." In fact, it's really hard to see how this result is predictive of anything at all.

It isn't Paul that should cause concern, I agree. It is the vote that went to Huckabee.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Vote for a Dem? No. Stay home? Yes.

Possibly, however I think 99% of the threat to stay home are empty. If the dems were running an Evan Bayh or even Joe Biden, you might be right.

What will energize the republicans to go out and vote are Hillary or Barak, especially Barak. I am not a big fan of McCain's. However, I will send him money, especially if Obama is the democratic candidate. The guy is plain out a scary liberal who talks out both side of his mouth. He does it very well by the way.