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There is a AA member that joined the church a year ago in our branch. He said that the church's stance pre-1978 didn't matter to him during his conversion because 1. He had an undeniable spiritual witness that the church was true 2. It was a thing of the past Sure, there are plenty of black converts that aren't completely up to speed on this issue, but I don't think this brother's attitude/experience is all that atypical either. |
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![]() Much like Chino an apology wouldn't bother me, I just don't think it is relevent when the policy no longer exists and hasn't for 30 years. But it is important to note that the historians have usurped the Prophets on this subject.....those watchmen on the towers need to turn their damn towers in the other direction, damnedit!
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Somewhat ironically, a 16 year old Dominican in our branch stopped coming to church because (he claims) he found out about the church and polygamy. For whatever reason, that bothers him more than blacks and the priesthood.
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How many black people failed to join the church in your branch because of the church's pre-1978 stance? Rhetorical question - of course there's no way to know. But isn't that sort of the point? I think the real question is how many black people refuse to ever listen to the missionaries in the first place because they know it's a racist church because of the pre-1978 stance? My feeling is that horse has already left the barn, and an apology wouldn't have a huge effect on the general feeling. However, it might have an effect on a few, and isn't that worth it? Also, I believe an apology is the right thing, and isn't that worth it?
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Come on. A lot more people than Adam and SU are in that camp and have been for a long time.
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Goat and Chino--this has nothing to do with me being a watchman. Like you, before I heard the interview, I didn't feel too passionately about it. Like you say, it IS in the past, and the policy reversal is sort of a tacit admission of error. However, listening to a black member who really loves the Gospel and the church but feels very strongly about this particular issue, and is in touch with a whole community of members who feel the same way (which I doubt can be said for most of us) changed my mind on this one. Again, from a practical point of view, there's huge upside with little or no downside. |
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Maybe we should get a list together and they could apologize for everything at once.
Polygamy, withholding the Priesthood, teaching birth control was evil, announcing man would not walk on the moon, having a Prophet who was supportive of the John Birch society. Maybe they could even apologize in advance for women not having the Priesthood and being against gay marriage. I am sure you can think of others. Why isn't a change good enough as an apology. Most people want an apology as a way to have something to further attack with. An apology would mean nothing to folks like SU and Waters. You honestly think an apology would shut them up on the issue. |
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Is that what you teach your children? That when they do something that hurts someone else, there's no need for an apology if they've stopped hurting them?
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Get your stinking paws off me, you damned, dirty Yewt! "Now perhaps as I spanked myself screaming out "Kozlowski, say it like you mean it bitch!" might have been out of line, but such was the mood." - Goatnapper "If you want to fatten a pig up to make the pig MORE delicious, you can feed it almost anything. Seriously. The pig is like the car on Back to the Future. You put in garbage, and out comes something magical!" - Cali Coug |
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My children don't run major organizations and there aren't a myriad of ramifications to that organization. If my children were evangelicals and through years and years they knocked and ripped the mormon church and eventually joined the church, I wouldn't expect them to send a formal apology to the church. |
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