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Also, apologies if that came off as directed specifically at you. It was not. It is directed at all of us.
We need some new material. This got me thinking....after all the dialogue, arguing, discussion, etc on the topic of Prop 8.....has anyone's opinions here changed at all? I do not know one way or the other....it is quite possible that opinions have been altered.
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Basically I have changed from "I dont care" to "I'm against it if it comes to Michigan"
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This topic interests me. We just keep rehashing the same arguments.
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Gay marriage? Or a proposition redefining marriage to exclude gays?
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And maybe a true supporter of the church's position would have zero problem with banning civil unions. But I see on both sides of the issue two strong morals: 1), the sanctity of marriage, and 2), the rights of minorities. Perhaps the best moral argument for civil unions in lieu of marriage for gays is that it is a compromise between the two camps. Civil unions would grant concessions to both positions, though neither would be completely satisfied. Quote:
The church teaches that the greatest joys in this life or the life to come are those associated with forming a family and raising children. I tend to agree. The church also claims that the ideal way to go about that task is in a marriage between a man and a woman. I tend to agree with that too. For all the hashing out we've done on the subject of immutability, I believe there are at least some who experience same-sex attraction, but are nevertheless capable of living in accordance that ideal without major compromises to their psychological health, and would be better off for it. If gay marriage becomes legal and socially condoned, such might settle for what is easiest, and not for what is best. The problems with such a position are plentiful. For one, I have no idea how many would be able to live according to the ideal that otherwise would not. I recognize that it would probably be the minority. I also have no idea what the cost would be of depriving gays the benefits that would come with homosexual marriage, or of pressuring them to live a heterosexual lifestyle. In summary, I know neither the costs nor the benefits, and as a result, I could be all kinds of wrong on this one.
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I against redefining marriage to exclude gays
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My opinion has changed, somewhat. I've gone from undecided because I don't know the answers to undecided because I don't know if there are answers.
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Of course I'll stick around.
But if I choose not to respond to some of the more "piquant" statements here, please don't take that as any form of acquiescence on my part. It more likely than not reflects simple fatigue on my part.
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