08-17-2008, 03:18 AM | #121 |
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Moreover, it's a push poll in that it targets everyone under the sun, not just a sampling.
Why lie about what you're doing if righteousness is on your side? They have a First Amendment right to do this. But so do porn houses. I consider this on the same moral footing.
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When I went, there were no children there. As I stated before, there weren't many people there at all. Given the size of our stake and the importance and mandate from the FP, I would have expected at least 100 or more. On the other hand, when the stake has the annual Trunk or Treat in October, the entire parking lot is packed and it takes the kids a couple of hours to go to every car and visit and say hi.
Given that the political climate in OC is ultra conservative, I am guessing that most people today will report back in Church as having a positive experience. In thinking about it, I wonder if this "tiered" approach each Saturday is partly to ensure the positive experience. In other words, everyone goes out yesterday simply to ask the yes/no questions...pretty easy task. Little chance of heated debate. Today, the members report back that there was little contention, it was actually fun, etc.....those who previously did not want to participate because they were nervous are more likely to show up the following Saturday.....but next Saturday, the task is not "temperature taking," but something else (don't know yet, hasn't been announced). My observation is that the lack of turnout this weekend was not political, it was practical.......when push comes to shove, most of us do not want to give up 3-5 hours of our Saturday to knock doors, regardless of the cause.
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exUte, that you would read such stuff suggests a fascination with a small part of the homosexual community that I find disturbing, if unsurprising. If you think that's representative of most gays, you're even more isolated and uninformed than I imagined.
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08-17-2008, 05:59 PM | #126 |
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Here is a side question for you church intellectuals.
If I correctly understand the history behind President Woodruff's manifesto putting polygamy on the shelf for a time, it remained a true principle, but external forces were about to leave a heavy blow upon the church, possibly crippling it. So the revelation came to step aside from that practice for the time being. In this day and age, nobody is going to send a militia to South Temple and threaten to exterminate the church if they do not comply with same-gender equality. That's because we don't point rifles at one another anymore; rather we sue each other. To that end, if Proposition 8 fails, what is the probability that some day the church will be so overwhelmed by lawsuits that another manifesto will be issued, putting this "policy" on the shelf? And the church's present initiative for its members to engage in a rallying cry at this particular point in time, is a precurser to such a scenario? |
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Lawsuits like Bob Jones were not an indictment of the right to believe...but rather, the right to discriminate once you start taking handouts from the government. I said almost a month ago that of all Church branches, BYU would likely be the most at-risk to be affected by any of this (a la Bob Jones), but I am not sure to what extent BYU accepts state or federal money (if at all). I don't think the Church is at any risk for successful lawsuits on this matter, frankly. I could be off base.
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Now, back on point, no one has denied nor could they deny that this is a push poll.
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08-17-2008, 08:43 PM | #130 |
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It's fair to say that this is a push poll, albeit very benign. It's unscientific and there can be little valuable information obtained through this method of polling. Though the poll script is written in a factual manner, it's clear that the taker is presenting Prop 8 in a positive light. Where I veer from you is that I don't think it's a big deal. Nobody in their right mind opens the door to a stranger who is selling/proselytizing/fundraising/politicking with the expectation of objectivity. This is much different than a phone call from a professional telemarketer smearing an opposition candidate.
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