Proposition 8 take a break..we can reach our destination..but we're still a ways away

[SeattleUte]

I noticed that the LDS Church is sending the sisters into EQ to shame the men into joining the crusade. Someone said they come in wearing long skirts and their heads covered and chanting, "Keep your covenants! Honor your priesthood!" and then ask for people to sign up for the crusade, saying they must do so to stay honorable. That's some pretty heavy tribal psychology going on there.

[TripletDaddy]

[QUOTE=Black Diamond Bay;251856]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I'm not asking for proof. I'm going with my gut feeling on this one.

I am also going with my gut on this one.

I know you to be a good and nice person. I have sat with you and enjoyed BYU sports.

It is clear that our guts disagree. But that does not mean that our hearts, hands, and minds cannot be friends.

[Black Diamond Bay]

[QUOTE=TripletDaddy;251859]

Originally Posted by Black Diamond Bay

I am also going with my gut on this one.

I know you to be a good and nice person. I have sat with you and enjoyed BYU sports.

It is clear that our guts disagree. But that does not mean that our hearts, hands, and minds cannot be friends.

You're right. It doesn't, and I hope that you're gut is right, and that mine is wrong, because I have a feeling that gay marriage is here to stay.

[TripletDaddy]

[QUOTE=Black Diamond Bay;251861]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

You're right. It doesn't, and I hope that you're gut is right, and that mine is wrong, because I have a feeling that gay marriage is here to stay.

It's the times....they're a-changin'

[TripletDaddy]

We were invited to go over to a ward members house tonight and help cut and fold hundreds of paper handouts for tomorrow.

I am tempted to go over just so I can get my hands on them.

Everyone is meeting tomorrow morning at some local school at 8:30. If I dont go tonight, I will go tomorrow in the morning and pick up the info.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Well, the shiz is going to hit the fan soon...or at least it will get interesting.

Today I returned to our ward after missing last Sunday due to our vacation. I think I have mentioned here before that I teach the Priests during the 3rd hour. As expected, the Bishop also attends our class.

Since most kids were away on vacation this past week, there were only 2 priests in class today. We had some time to chat and I asked the Bishop about the "letter." I had initially been told that the letter had not been read in our ward, but the Bishop confirmed to me that he DID read the letter last Sunday.

I asked him why some wards read it last week, some did not, and some wards read it a few weeks ago.....inquiring as to whether the FP gives SPs and local leadership some discretion in reading these things.

He assured me that it was to be statewide last Sunday. He then busted out the cover letter that went with the actual "letter" that we have all seen here. His cover letter clearly stated that all Bishops were to read the letter on June 29.

Of more interest.....the events to come between now and Election Tuesday.

The Bishop said that the SP has instructed all Bishops in our stake of the following:

1. Over the next month or so (as early as next week for our ward), SPs, Stake HCs, and Bishoprics will be giving Sacrament talks focused on The Proclamation and other family topics. This will not be a 1-time Sunday event, but rather a common theme over several Sundays for the next few months...until the election.
2. Members of the Bishopric/Stake HC will be visiting some families asking them for donations. Bishop said that the Church has asked SPs to refrain from asking for donations from the pulpit or really during Church at all (political neutrality...). Bishop said not every family will be asked. I didnt asked what the criteria was, but my guess is that the older, wealthy families will be the ones asked to contribute.
3. As of now, there is no mandate for door-to-door campaigns, but the SP said that it was not definitely still possible.
4. We will also be encouraged to place anti-Prop 8 signs on our lawns.
5. The mantra for this movement is not "anti-gay," but "pro-family."

I asked the Bishop what would happen if he went to a family's home and they refused to donate or go door to door. The Bishop responded that it was "[our] job to help these families understand the seriousness of this issue." I didnt push him for the scenario in which the family does not agree with the seriousness of this issue because we were in front of the 2 priests and I didnt think it was the right time to go into all of that.

This is a very interesting position for me because I have never really "opposed" anything in the Church before. The last time this issue was raised in California, our ward was not asked to go door to door, so I only heard the letter read in Sacrament meeting. I didnt have to or refrain from anything because there was no individual accountability. It seems that this time, the Bishopric may come into my home and talk to me face to face.

I might need to borrow a gun from one of you guys to protect myself from the righteous indignation that will accompany the visit.

and people like you..........

http://americansfortruth.com/news/se...francisco.html

You give these folks credibility and sympathy!

[exUte]

[QUOTE=Black Diamond Bay;251861]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

You're right. It doesn't, and I hope that you're gut is right, and that mine is wrong, because I have a feeling that gay marriage is here to stay.

to be proud that he was part of the gay movement. I'm sure he'll be more proud in about 10 years when he can view the result of his opposition to the 'old white guys' (General Authorities) and how society has benefited.

Ah, those unintended consequences! Perhaps he can take his three daughters down to the gay pride parade and then go home and pay homage to those marchers and show how they were right and the 'old white guys' were trying to mislead the Church membership.

[TripletDaddy]

I went this morning to the local HS where everyone was to gather. The event was to begin at 8:30. I stayed until about 8:45. There were about 40 people there from our entire stake....not a horrible turnout, but not a great one, considering we have 5 wards and 1 branch....that is about 8 people per Church unit.

Overall, it was a respectful scene. The coordinators kept emphasizing that today was a polling exercise. We were not to engage, but if we were asked, we could identify ourselves as LDS.

The handout material apparently was just made available online. I have some here with me, but rather than scan it, you can read it yourself. It is all really more of the same stuff (although some of the wording is interesting...."activist" judges, "4 San Francisco-based judges," etc..)

http://www.protectmarriage.com/resources

The two things I could not find online I have scanned for the group to read.

One is a handout, the other is our brief "walking script."

In fairness, the script seems very benign to me.

The organizers did explain that over the next few weeks, the tenor of the activities would shift a bit. But today, it was all about "taking the temperature of Irvine."

[TripletDaddy]

More scannage.....

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I went this morning to the local HS where everyone was to gather. The event was to begin at 8:30. I stayed until about 8:45. There were about 40 people there from our entire stake....not a horrible turnout, but not a great one, considering we have 5 wards and 1 branch....that is about 8 people per Church unit.

Overall, it was a respectful scene. The coordinators kept emphasizing that today was a polling exercise. We were not to engage, but if we were asked, we could identify ourselves as LDS.

The handout material apparently was just made available online. I have some here with me, but rather than scan it, you can read it yourself. It is all really more of the same stuff (although some of the wording is interesting...."activist" judges, "4 San Francisco-based judges," etc..)

http://www.protectmarriage.com/resources

The two things I could not find online I have scanned for the group to read.

One is a handout, the other is our brief "walking script."

In fairness, the script seems very benign to me.

The organizers did explain that over the next few weeks, the tenor of the activities would shift a bit. But today, it was all about "taking the temperature of Irvine."

NOT benign. A pitch masquerading as a poll. It's a push poll, which is by definition dishonest and unethical. The fourth paragraph is the pitch. No legitimate poll would do that. Yes, pitch polls are always brief, which is one of the signs of a push poll. Despicable. As we've discussed, honesty, autheticity, is not an important LDS value. This makes my blood boil.

TD, were there kids there?