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Put simply, you can't demonstrate what the plates did or did not contain. But then, I'm not interested in the attempt. Oh, I'm aware of the issues, but as far as I'm concerned all kinds of documents that don't make fantastic translation/inspiration claims are scripture. Documents that have been taken to be something other than what I believe them to be are scripture too. I could go on and on, but it wouldn't change that I consider the BoM to be scripture. For me, it all comes down to faith and fruits. Reason, while useful for interrogating faith, can't replace it (the correlative opposite is also true). Whatever our disagreements, we can agree that we have faith in the BoM as scripture, can't we?
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You didn't speak to the point of it being a bad analogy.
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And does it not strike anyone as odd that we are continually seeing strange hypotheses about the original of the Book without the slightest support in the historical record?
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Relying upon a relatively empty transcript is a not a basis to dismiss theories based on clues within the text itself. That's the basis of academic textual critical analysis. That's what Skousen has been doing with the Amlicite versus Amalekite issue.
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Yes I did. Indy was assuming that I didn't think Isaiah was actually on the plates, that's why he thought it was a bad analogy. Otherwise it is a sound analogy.
Why don't you just answer the question? Do you think NT writers were scandalous when they copied and pasted from the mistranslated LXX and passed them off as Jesus' quotations when Jesus was really quoting that Masoretic Text?
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By "the plates contained the same book" do you mean that Jacobian English (and even the King James Bible text) was on the plates? Beyond the fact that knowing what was on the plates is nigh to impossible, how are you accounting for the textual changes in the various editions of the BoM? And who is "we?" Copies of the BoM that aren't in English don't have Jacobian English in them (they have a translation in their own languages, but I don't know the word-for-word and dynamic equivalence stuff going on in all of those translations. I suspect that it is not consistent). I don't know what you're referring to with your "hypotheses about the original of the Book."
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We have the original manuscript. The original manuscript repeats errors perpetuated in the KJV. Hence, the the textual evidence says the Prophet used the KJV for certain portions. NT writers did the same. Hence, using other sources, even if they're imperfect, is within bounds of a prophetic calling. Hence, I'm right. Q.E.D.
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This stuff is a bit above my head but I was reading to see what the big problem was about JS inserting Isaiah KJV.
Tex, is the anti-Mormon stuff you're worried about this concerning Isaiah disunity and the possibility of some of the Nephi Isaiah chapters being written after Nephi lived? |
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