09-21-2008, 03:10 PM | #1 |
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Prop 8 and passive-aggressiveness
Is it just me, or is the church really very passive aggressive in fighting for prop-8? If my stake president (whom i work with is being accurate), Pres. Monson has been attributed with calling this issue our "gettysburgh"...
1. We are supposed to campaign for the passage of Prop-8, but not to use the church's name or facilities for our work. 2. When "proselytizing" for the cause, we are just "educating" or "polling" the public. 3. The Church has not met with the lds gay group Affirmation, which seems to claim that homosexuality is not a lifestyle or temptation, but a matter of genetics and biology, but will meet with the group Evergreen International, which works to help those lds overcome homosexual behavior. http://www.sltrib.com/ci_10521489 4. The GA who spoke to Evergreen William Walker (never heard of him) didn't even use the words "same sex attraction" or homosexuality, but he did say "wickedness never was happiness". i wish that the church would just come out and say what the mean. it is very clear that they believe homosexuality is a sin and will lead to destruction of our society. i would still disagree with the church's position for reasons i and many others here have already articulated, but i would respect the church for saying what they mean instead of spinning. the longer this passive aggressive approach goes on, the more it becomes clear that the church is not authentic and true to itself, and is really more about spin and smoke and mirrors. Last edited by OrangeUte; 09-21-2008 at 05:38 PM. |
09-21-2008, 03:24 PM | #2 |
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09-21-2008, 06:53 PM | #3 |
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I couldn't agree with you more OU.
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09-21-2008, 06:58 PM | #4 |
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this goes back to the whole conception of what a sinner is. In the church we believe some people are sinners, some are not. Whereas in some denominations, all people are sinners.
Per the church, gays are sinners, and incapable of leading the lives of a decent, moral person. So the idea that gay parents could raise a kid in a good decent way is impossible. What it comes down to is the church thinks these gays are despicable people, but not worthy of lynching, or acting illegally or aggressively against. |
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Could it be that the dissonance and inconsistency you see reflects some level of division in the leadership of the church (at both local and central levels) on this issue? Or at the least, varying levels of passion regarding the cause? Or could it be due to the fact that it is promoted as a "moral" issue, yet it forces one to make some awkward and paradoxical judgments in the process?
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authority figures lose credibility with me as soon as they spin or side-step what they are trying to say in order to make it more palatable to the target of comments or action. unfortunately, that is the result of the church leaders actions in this instance on me - both locally and at the central level. |
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