you know the jazz fans that moaned the choice of williams over paul...

[Hsaru]

Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

Wow... some of you bit hard.

Waters doesn't believe what he's saying. He's just using this argument to get people (specifically: Utahns) riled up. It entertains him.

It might even be the single motivating factor in his life.

If anyone was ever born a troll, Waters was.

Waters doesn't even watch sports too busy complaining about the church and scouting and reading poorly written LDS literature, so I agree.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Williams has a much better cast around him. Paul is a magician.

Williams is strong, but Paul is spectacular.

If you combined Gary Payton, Allen Iverson, and John Stockton, you get Chris Paul.

So quite your day job and become an NBA GM. You could make a killing if you really knew that on draft day.

[MikeWaters]

actually the Jazz have an excellent GM.

To get rid of Giricek and get Korver and a 1st rounder, that's genius.

You look at the quality of the Jazz roster, and then their low salaries, you know he is good.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

actually the Jazz have an excellent GM.

To get rid of Giricek and get Korver and a 1st rounder, that's genius.

You look at the quality of the Jazz roster, and then their low salaries, you know he is good.

but i bet you would have gotten all that for a second rounder and a popcorn machine?
(c:

[il Padrino Ute]

I'm curious to know if Paul could have been as effective in Sloan's system.

Williams is. That's really all that matters.

[JohnnyLingo]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

back in that first season?

They were right.

Excellent trolling effort. Really, you almost had me.

[Spaz]

Stats among PG's:

PPG: Paul #2, Deron #3, 2.2 point difference.
Blocks: Deron #4, Paul #18, 0.3 diff.
Steals: Paul #1, Deron #9, 1.6 diff.
TO: Paul #17, Deron # 22, 0.9 diff.
Assist: Paul #1, Deron #3, 0.9 diff.
Reb: Paul #3, Deron #8.
3pt%: Deron #6, Paul #13.
FG%: Deron #2, Paul #5.



It's pretty obvious Paul, this year, has the edge over Deron. On the other hand, Deron is obviously better in terms of shooting.


In the end, I don't think this debate is very interesting. This year, Paul is slightly (though significantly) better. Last year, Deron was better (sure, due to Paul's injury, but the difference was significant).

In the end, I believe that while Paul may end up being more dynamic, he will also tend to miss more games due to injury and will be less consistent than Deron. In that eventuality, Deron will end up being the better pick.

[cougjunkie]

Originally Posted by Spaz

Stats among PG's:

PPG: Paul #2, Deron #3, 2.2 point difference.
Blocks: Deron #4, Paul #18, 0.3 diff.
Steals: Paul #1, Deron #9, 1.6 diff.
TO: Paul #17, Deron # 22, 0.9 diff.
Assist: Paul #1, Deron #3, 0.9 diff.
Reb: Paul #3, Deron #8.
3pt%: Deron #6, Paul #13.
FG%: Deron #2, Paul #5.



It's pretty obvious Paul, this year, has the edge over Deron. On the other hand, Deron is obviously better in terms of shooting.


In the end, I don't think this debate is very interesting. This year, Paul is slightly (though significantly) better. Last year, Deron was better (sure, due to Paul's injury, but the difference was significant).

In the end, I believe that while Paul may end up being more dynamic, he will also tend to miss more games due to injury and will be less consistent than Deron. In that eventuality, Deron will end up being the better pick.

Deron is shooting 51% from the floor, Paul is 49% not a huge difference. Paul has more points, rebounds, assists, steals, less turnovers per game and most importantly more team wins. What else is there?

[Spaz]

Originally Posted by cougjunkie

Deron is shooting 51% from the floor, Paul is 49% not a huge difference. Paul has more points, rebounds, assists, steals, less turnovers per game and most importantly more team wins. What else is there?

2.1% difference. Not huge, but none of the differences is in any category (except maybe steals).
2.8% difference in 3pt%. Deron averages 3.7 FG Attempts less per game. He'd be leading Paul in scoring with more attempts.

Again, Paul obviously has a small advantage on Deron this year. Last year, it was the opposite, but the difference was more significant (mostly due to injury).


If I'm picking a PG for my team for the next 5 years, and have the choice of Paul or Williams, I'd probably go with Williams, solely due to reliability - Deron's showed no tendency towards serious injury.

I don't think anyone would go wrong with either choice.

[Spaz]

Originally Posted by cougjunkie

Deron is shooting 51% from the floor, Paul is 49% not a huge difference. Paul has more points, rebounds, assists, steals, less turnovers per game and most importantly more team wins. What else is there?

The one thing I'm surprised about is the difference in rebounding. I would think, with Deron's size & strength, he'd be a better rebounder. I'm guessing his defensive assignments prevent him from grabbing many.