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Look at the relief society room before the lesson next week. There will be flowers on the table, maybe a table cloth and some other object. This sort of thing just never crosses the mind of man. Nor is it much appreciated by man. If I want something done classy, my wife is in charge.
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Because I don't see it happening like you describe, I would appreciate some examples: - How does it translate into the household? - How does it translate into how assignments are made in church (again, aside from the organizing of social things)? - Where are men abdicating their roles as spiritual leaders? Although I don't really see widespread evidence of exalting the social and spiritual qualities of women in a large sense, let's assume for the moment that it's true. Perhaps I need reading comprehension lessons but I don't see that you've presented any evidence to support your argument/assumption that said exaltation is happening "as an excuse to avoid cultivating those same traits in men". The first part of my previous post (the part about HT/VT) was directed at Requiem but it also plays into my main point which is that I believe men AREN'T abdicating their roles as spiritual leaders. I think in certain cases their roles are more difficult than women, HT vs. VT in particular, and that certain things one cites as evidence of men abdicating their role are in fact just examples of the more difficult nature of that role. The various examples of duties under the priesthood that I cited are examples of how men are currently filling their role as spiritual leaders. The budget comment was indeed an emotional swipe at the ladies - guilty as charged; however, now that I think more about it, I do believe that it has some relevance to the underlying discussion. Perhaps one way to avoid exalting the "social competence" of women is to slash that bloated entertainment budget? |
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On balance, this shouldn't be overstated. It is, after all, only a pet peeve, not an indictment of the system or of my own gender.
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Me: Where is all the food you cooked? Her: I took it to Frank and Carol. Me: Who? Her: (Looking at me like I'm dumb) Our neighbors. Me: Oh. Are they new in the neighborhood or something? Her: (Now looking at me as if to say, how did I wind up with you) No they have been a few doors down for a year and she just had a baby. The point is, she has gone out of her way to not only know our neighbors names but to know what is happening in their lives and think of a way to serve them. Could just be personalities, but if what you are saying is that this is the sort of thing women do much better at than men (for example) then I whole heartedly agree.
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I'm late to the thread, but I hate ward dinners, too. There are a couple of women in my ward who seem to somewhat lackadaisical about their personal hygiene, and the thought of eating something they made makes me sick. And since I don't know what they brought, I just don't eat.
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08-22-2007, 07:43 PM | #48 | |
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We can have deacon help but they can't put the water in the cups they can only take the filled cups and put them on the stand... I guess he and the stake president came to a resolution. Apparently the handbook says on page 37 that the Teacher are assigned to prepare the sacrament. It doesn't say that the deacons can't help just that the teachers are assigned to do it. I am just wondering why they can't just agree with my assertion and have the deacon help out... oh well at least I wont helping any longer
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