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I must say that IMO Waters' and Darron Smith's argument appears to be more supportable by historical fact.
Brother Millet responded to my questions concerning his reference of Joseph Smith restricting Elijah Able's priesthood with the following response: There is precious little information or few if any sources on this topic. I gave as my opinion, and that is all it is, that the Priesthood ban dates to the Prophet Joseph Smith's translation of Abraham, chapter 1, which refers to a curse upon Cain, Ham, and his descendants, including Pharaoh. We have no documents specifically linking the policy to Joseph Smith, but then we have none linking it to Brigham Young, either. The restriction was certainly broadened and enforced by Pres. Brigham Young and maintained until June of 1978. I am not enough of a historian to know whether or to what extent Joseph Smith or Brigham Young restricted Elijah Abel's use of the Priesthood (he had been ordained a Seventy). The leaders of the Church today have been silent as to what if any connection the Abraham 1 episode might have to subsequent restrictions of black members of the Church. Further, in spite of a mass of doctrinal folklore that surrounds the "Why" of the Priesthood ban, we simply do not know the answer. Sorry I cannot offer more insight. RLM Rest assured progressives, there appears to be no evidence supporting that Brother Joseph initiated any restriction of Elijah Able. Boobs are in!
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That was from today? You're better than Waters then. He just pisses and moans. You act.
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Interesting. I wonder what he was referring to when he said "somewhere in the late 1830s, he begins a policy of restriction concerning the priesthood" and "in fact individuals who had held the priesthood, like an Elijah Abel, was now restricted as to the use of that priesthood."
I'm disappointed he didn't substantiate that a little better, but thanks for emailing him Goat. As Indy says, it's more than a scholar like Waters would do. |
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So Millet admits he was blowing smoke and that he has no secret evidence to the contrary, and Indy and Tex respond with a jab at Mike? Now that's chutzpah, folks.
Millet is blowing more smoke about the BY link, BTW.
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Indeed. Brigham Young lays it out in the infamous 1852 speech.
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Therefore, the kudos rightfully go to Goatnapper who actually did something constructive rather than protray himself as a sham of a moral crusader. |
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Sham? If Millet was wrong all along, then Mike is vindicated.
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Either way I think for someone who seeks to be a legitimate academic I found Millet's response to be rather incriminating. Millet should be familiar enough with the alternate theory to know such a claim that Joseph Smith restricted Elijah Able's rights to utilize the Priesthood conferred upon him should be supportable or not made. I don't know as to what Millet's motivation is for the promulgation of unsupportable assertions/falsehoods so as to whether or not it is priestcraft, I cannot judge.
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Yes, kudos to Goat.
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