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1. Our understanding of Young's September 1851 conference, as you note, is vague in how widespread and binding the signs of approval were. It seems clear, however, from the rest of the article, though, that the idea of WoW = commandment was still undetermined. 2. Even if the WoW was a bona fide commandment in 1851, it still allows for the consumption of beer. My biggest question isn't whether or not the WoW is a commandment or counsel, but why the modern, current version seems to contradict the text of the revelation. Even Young's later statements laid out in this article that lament the continued use of prohibited substances (e.g. tea, coffee) criticize the consumption of liquor - not beer. Commandment or not, it seems that the prohibition against beer is unfounded.
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that's unfortunate? meaning when they get asked about their temple worthiness they don't bother with customs but with the commandments?
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Honest question: how should they approach it? It doesn't seem that easy (IMO) to quantify something like "worthiness."
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Thanks to Cougarguard I now won't feel so guilty about having that beer with my steak when I go out to eat, having some cold ice tea on a hot summer day and having some coffee in the morning to get me going. You almost had me with an affair not being so bad but it's going to take me a little longer to justify that one.
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Iced tea was, traditionally, simply brewed tea cooled and poured over ice. IOW, it is no different. There is sun-brewed tea, however, which might be considered to be different, and, in the more modern era, instant tea messes this all up. The ahndbook gives guidance on this but, as someone pointed out, the temple recommend question is only whether you keep the WoW. Self-governance, with prayerful consideration and taking into account the words of prophets, seems to the the idea here.
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