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The irony of the position in the video is that he is accepting waterboarding is torture. Geneva prohibits torture. If he says people can't waterboard our soldiers because Geneva prohibits it, he is accepting that waterboarding=torture. This isn't a position the right has taken in the past (nor you, until this thread). It is shameful and appalling that anyone would argue that torture should be permitted, and it is morally bankrupt to suggest the test for deciding when we can torture people is our analysis of whether or not they adhere to the requirements of international treaties. |
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02-06-2010, 04:47 AM | #32 |
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I'm not going to discuss this with you as long as you insist on distorting my position.
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I'm not going to play this game with you.
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Then call it your Martha Coakley-Curt Schilling moment. I can't believe anyone would think that I believe waterboarding is torture, given the body of statements I've ever said on the topic over the last ... what, 2 years maybe?
If you can't get what I meant when I said "exactly" then I really have nothing further to talk with you about.
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It isn't just that statement, either. You then endorsed the viewpoint of the person in the video who argues that waterboarding is in violation of the Geneva Convention, but we can still use it because the detainees aren't covered by the Geneva Convention. The Geneva Convention prohibits "torture." It doesn't specifically prohibit waterboarding. To accept that waterboarding is covered by the Geneva Convention is to accept that waterboarding is torture. You endorsed that view (and said "exactly" in response to my argument), and that has created the confusion. This isn't a game I am playing, these are your statements and arguments. If they don't make sense to you, imagine how we feel. |
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Look at what Sands offers in return: Theissen's book is "terrifically entertaining fiction." His arguments are "straight out of Monte Python." Theissen should submit himself to waterboarding, says Sands, and suggests some people believe that Theissen might be complicit in torture by merely writing in defense of waterboarding! That raft of nonsense--non sequiturs, all--exposes the lack of serious thinking about this issue on the Left. It's hyperbolic and emotion-driven instead of rational and logical.
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American soldiers are waterboarded against their will?
I need a source for this one. |
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