Refs awful

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

USA vs Soviet Union olympic basketball.

Phantom call on Lambier Lakers v Pistons Finals.

Umps giving Jeter the homer against the Orioles when Danny Meier clearly reached into the stands and interfered.

No, they are not always right. You are all over the map. You want to start moving the discussion towards the infalliblity of refs, a point which nobody here asserts.

The Jazz are a crappy road team. They have been all season. They have not won in the Staples Center this season. Last night was no different. It isnt the refs.

No...I think the discussion has remained fairly clearly centered on how Lakerfan pretends that he's above the "whining" of Jazzfan. (Of course, he still remembers clearly the phantom Lambier call, so I'm not sure how much water that holds...)

Oh, wait. I slipped into the snobby Lakerfan stereotype again. Only new stereotypes allowed around here. Of course, maybe the fact that it's so well-established says something...

[Flystripper]

Originally Posted by livecoug

Even a laker fan shouldn't be able to argue that the Vuja Chick boot out of bounds that was called a foul on AK was legit. As far as the Jazz fouling a ton, they averaged 2 more fouls per game than the Lakers. This stat is WAAAAAAYYY overblown. 2 more per game. Woopedeedoo.

It was only a bad call cause the Ref in position didn't call it however, the replay looked like a reach by AK to me.

[TheSizzle36]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

The Jazz are a crappy road team. They have been all season. They have not won in the Staples Center this season. Last night was no different. It isnt the refs.

And with this comment you have completely lost all credibility. The Jazz beat the Clippers at Staples by 16 in January.

Sheesh.

[YOhio]

I was not impressed by the performance of the refs last night to be sure. But I think the Jazz have been doing themselves a huge disservice by their increased flopping. Memo, AK and Harpring have become so focused on flopping that it really has affected their game.

Henry Abbot has an interesting post about the Gasol/Memo exchange.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...hing-Foul.html

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by ERCougar

No...I think the discussion has remained fairly clearly centered on how Lakerfan pretends that he's above the "whining" of Jazzfan. (Of course, he still remembers clearly the phantom Lambier call, so I'm not sure how much water that holds...)

Oh, wait. I slipped into the snobby Lakerfan stereotype again. Only new stereotypes allowed around here. Of course, maybe the fact that it's so well-established says something...

I honestly do not understand your post.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

USA vs Soviet Union olympic basketball.

Phantom call on Lambier Lakers v Pistons Finals.

Umps giving Jeter the homer against the Orioles when Danny Meier clearly reached into the stands and interfered.

No, they are not always right. You are all over the map. You want to start moving the discussion towards the infalliblity of refs, a point which nobody here asserts.

The Jazz are a crappy road team. They have been all season. They have not won in the Staples Center this season. Last night was no different. It isnt the refs.

Well I had no idea if you thought they were infallible or not. Now it is clear that in your opinion every few decades or so one game in some sport may be affected by refs. Since it is possible, why don't you now look at the calls that were being criticized from yesterday's game (and they are specifically decsribed by others in this thread) and tell us if you think they were wrong or right. If they were wrong, it only takes one or two to afffect the outcome.

My point isn't that the refs were horrible throughout or even that they decided this particualr game. As you may have noticed, my first post said that I thought they did OK but for the call on kirilenko when 'the machine' dribbled off his knee. My point is that even though you admit that sometimes refs DO affect the outcome, you keep pretending to be above the frya, repetitively mock those who say the refs did affect the outcome of this game, all while refusing to even discuss the specific compalints on calls from last night's game.

I don't think the Jazz should have won last night. But it was a close game. There were some very questionable calls (kirilenko, Odom's dunk and one, Gasol's shove) that very well might have decided the outcome. So rather than keep 'mocking' the discussion, why don't you respond or just leave it alone?

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by TheSizzle36

And with this comment you have completely lost all credibility. The Jazz beat the Clippers at Staples by 16 in January.

Sheesh.

LOL. fair point. I forgot about the Los Angeles Clippers.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by creekster

Well I had no idea if you thought they were infallible or not. Now it is clear that in your opinion every few decades or so one game in some sport may be affected by refs. Since it is possible, why don't you now look at the calls that were being criticized from yesterday's game (and they are specifically decsribed by others in this thread) and tell us if you think they were wrong or right. If they were wrong, it only takes one or two to afffect the outcome.

My point isn't that the refs were horrible throughout or even that they decided this particualr game. As you may have noticed, my first post said that I thought they did OK but for the call on kirilenko when 'the machine' dribbled off his knee. My point is that even though you admit that sometimes refs DO affect the outcome, you keep pretending to be above the frya, repetitively mock those who say the refs did affect the outcome of this game, all while refusing to even discuss the specific compalints on calls from last night's game.

I don't think the Jazz should have won last night. But it was a close game. There were some very questionable calls (kirilenko, Odom's dunk and one, Gasol's shove) that very well might have decided the outcome. So rather than keep 'mocking' the discussion, why don't you respond or just leave it alone?

creek, I already responded last night. i think it was probably a bad call, but your description shows that you are likely not following closely. You reference The Machine dribbling off his knee, which is irrelevant to the call. The call was for AK reaching, not who touched it last. If you watch the replay, Ak getting called for a reach is not a huge stretch. Shasha sold it by flopping to the ground.

Even after that call, jazz could have gone ahead, so no I disagree with you. that call did not change the outcome of the game.

Given that bad calls against the Jazz could affect the outcome. but there were also calls against the lakers that I did not agree with. Those could have also affected the outcome. This is why whining about refs is so pointless and circular....there is always a way to claim that both teams got jobbed.

if you dont even think the Jazz should have won last night, then why are you complaining that the Ak call may have changed the game?

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Flystripper

It was only a bad call cause the Ref in position didn't call it however, the replay looked like a reach by AK to me.

Yeah it's a foul to reach for the ball when the other player going for it doesn't have possession of it and is chasing after it too.

[Coach McGuirk]

This is a ridiculous conversation. The Jazz had ample opportunities to take the lead last night and did not convert once. That is why they did not win.