Those of you claiming polygamy and gay marriage are equal

[SeattleUte]

I assume you have no more problem with women marrying multiple men than vice versa.

The easy distinction is that "polygamy" is not gender neutral, and gay marriage is. Indeed, manifestly, whereas polygamy has traditionally been a means of oppressing and abusing women gay unions have not. Polygamy is wrong, it's downright evil, and gay marriage is not. I have no doubt about this.

[Colly Wolly]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I assume you have no more problem with women marrying multiple men than vice versa.

The easy distinction is that "polygamy" is not gender neutral, and gay marriage is. Indeed, manifestly, whereas polygamy has traditionally been a means of oppressing and abusing women gay unions have not. Polygamy is wrong, it's downright evil, and gay marriage is not. I have no doubt about this.

Thanks for sharing your testimony. Wish I could say I was moved.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Colly Wolly

Thanks for sharing your testimony. Wish I could say I was moved.

Oh, I forgot. COlly Wolly is making the analogy too. See a pattern?

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I assume you have no more problem with women marrying multiple men than vice versa.

The easy distinction is that "polygamy" is not gender neutral, and gay marriage is. Indeed, manifestly, whereas polygamy has traditionally been a means of oppressing and abusing women gay unions have not. Polygamy is wrong, it's downright evil, and gay marriage is not. I have no doubt about this.

This isn't the only distinction, by the way. It's just one of them. Gay marriage offers gays the only opportunity to marry. Society recognizes gay as not a choice. Not so for polygamy.

If this is such a compelling point, why are only guys like Norcal, exute and Waters making it, in the whole world? It's a ludicrous argument. No one is taking to the streets saying now legalize polygamy as a constitutional right. Grow up.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

This isn't the only distinction, by the way. It's just one of them. Gay marriage offers gays the only opportunity to marry. Society recognizes gay as not a choice. Not so for polygamy.

If this is such a compelling point, why are only guys like Norcal, exute and Waters making it, in the whole world? It's a ludicrous argument. No one is taking to the streets saying now legalize polygamy as a constitutional right. Grow up.

Then tell me why its not. Have you read the deciison in California? WHy don't the arguments made there apply to polygamy? Persuade me rather than call me names.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by creekster

Then tell me why its not. Have you read the deciison in California? WHy don't the arguments made there apply to polygamy? Persuade me rather than call me names.

I've made two compelling arguments including in the first paragraph of the quoted language in your post. Do you ever consider societal norms and consensus in deciding what's right and wrong? I recommend it. The fact that only a few Mormon men are making this argument should tell you something.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I've made two compelling arguments including in the first paragraph of the quoted language in your post. Do you ever consider societal norms and consensus in deciding what's right and wrong? I recommend it. The fact that only a few Mormon men are making this argument should tell you something.

societal norms? Are you kidding me? Is that really the basis for your position? So by spocietal norms we allow gay marriage? COme on pal.

Btw, the reason it is primarily mormon males making the argument here is becasue this is a BYU board. The societal norm in califrionia, btw, voted to define marriage as between one man and one woman, so it is not he societal norm that serves as the nasis for gay marriage and it is not societal norms that will prevent polygamy from being next in line.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I've made two compelling arguments including in the first paragraph of the quoted language in your post. Do you ever consider societal norms and consensus in deciding what's right and wrong? I recommend it. The fact that only a few Mormon men are making this argument should tell you something.

This is the same person who argued that democratic consensus and societal norms are what required judicial intervention and talked about the tyranny of the majority.

Ironic. Telling. Speaks volumes.

Again, this entire thread is about your lack of critical thinking and principles.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I assume you have no more problem with women marrying multiple men than vice versa.

The easy distinction is that "polygamy" is not gender neutral, and gay marriage is. Indeed, manifestly, whereas polygamy has traditionally been a means of oppressing and abusing women gay unions have not. Polygamy is wrong, it's downright evil, and gay marriage is not. I have no doubt about this.

You're full of crap on this. First, no one is claiming this. WHo says they are "equal" (whatever that means)? Second, people are suggesting that allowing gay marriage opens the door for all sorts of unions, be it multiple males, females, mixes or whatever. Third, you, of all people, should be preared to live wiht the consequences of theis change. Your testimony, as COlly corectly dubs it, of the inevitable oppressive nature of polygamy is just hooey. It is almost identicval to the arguments religions use against gay marriage and is nothing more than a remnant of your social viewpoint but surely you wouldn't propose that this should be the basis to prohibit consenting adults from joining in legal union?

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by creekster

You're full of crap on this. First, no one is claiming this. WHo says they are "equal" (whatever that means)? Second, people are suggesting that allowing gay marriage opens the door for all sorts of unions, be it multiple males, females, mixes or whatever. Third, you, of all people, should be preared to live wiht the consequences of theis change. Your testimony, as COlly corectly dubs it, of the inevitable oppressive nature of polygamy is just hooey. It is almost identicval to the arguments religions use against gay marriage and is nothing more than a remnant of your social viewpoint but surely you wouldn't propose that this should be the basis to prohibit consenting adults from joining in legal union?

Several people here have said that any rationalization for gay marriage supports polygamy.

I don't actually think that religions argue gay marriage oppresses women or anyone. THey are claiming something else. They simply claim it is deviant and sinful.

But we don't have to engage in a tangled factual discussion whether polygamy has oppressed women through the ages to today. The hard fact is that polygamy is not gender neutral and gay marriage is. Polygamy reinforces some rigid societal limitations on women that some of us abhor.