Obama worshippers, that means you Cali

[Archaea]

We've got you down that you want a massive oppressive and ungodly expensive new bureaucracy to deliver health insurance at a price we can't afford.

So next issue:

Are you fully comfortable with Obama's stance of actively promoting abortion, even partial birth abortions? Does his promotion of abortion, not just "pro-choice" position concern you?

We'll get to other issues as well, given your desire to promote this socialist.

[marsupial]

Originally Posted by Archaea

So next issue:

Are you fully comfortable with Obama's stance of actively promoting abortion, even partial birth abortions? Does his promotion of abortion, not just "pro-choice" position concern you?

We'll get to other issues as well, given your desire to promote this socialist.

I find this a strange question from someone who has repeatedly said that abortion was a non-issue to him.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by marsupial

I find this a strange question from someone who has repeatedly said that abortion was a non-issue to him.

Yea but if it helps defeat Obama then I'm in favor of any issue which will bring the bastard down.

In reality, a person who doesn't care is "pro-choice" and an acceptable position even for Harry Reid, but somebody who basically promotes abortion as a lifestyle is another matter. We shouldn't waste capital trying to make it illegal, but we shouldn't go out of our way to make for government funding either.

If somebody I know about struggles with the decision and goes ahead with it, that's one thing, but as social policy of making it just grand, that's different.

However, he appears indifferent to life. He's not pro-choice, he's pro-abortion, he doesn't care about Iraqis desiring a unilateral non-sensible withdrawal from Iraq.

The more I read about him the more I'm convinced he just wants to win and he will be very, very dangerous for the quality of our lives. This election may decide the quality of life for the next several decades, and his choice will demean our lives.

For any physician who has dealt with CMS, or SSA, Medicaid or any other government bureau, just imagine a more massive, less friendly and terribly oppressive organization ruining your practice and daily life. His desires will be nearly catastrophic for health care providers.

That I am the only one who seems alarmed by another governmental build up shows the days of commerce have passed us by and we now expect government to feed, clothe, give us shelter and give us our medicines before tucking us in bed. Hyperbole I know but in the good ole eighties that sort of rhetoric would have canned him right away.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Yea but if it helps defeat Obama then I'm in favor of any issue which will bring the bastard down.

In reality, a person who doesn't care is "pro-choice" and an acceptable position even for Harry Reid, but somebody who basically promotes abortion as a lifestyle is another matter. We shouldn't waste capital trying to make it illegal, but we shouldn't go out of our way to make for government funding either.

If somebody I know about struggles with the decision and goes ahead with it, that's one thing, but as social policy of making it just grand, that's different.

However, he appears indifferent to life. He's not pro-choice, he's pro-abortion, he doesn't care about Iraqis desiring a unilateral non-sensible withdrawal from Iraq.

The more I read about him the more I'm convinced he just wants to win and he will be very, very dangerous for the quality of our lives. This election may decide the quality of life for the next several decades, and his choice will demean our lives.

For any physician who has dealt with CMS, or SSA, Medicaid or any other government bureau, just imagine a more massive, less friendly and terribly oppressive organization ruining your practice and daily life. His desires will be nearly catastrophic for health care providers.

That I am the only one who seems alarmed by another governmental build up shows the days of commerce have passed us by and we now expect government to feed, clothe, give us shelter and give us our medicines before tucking us in bed. Hyperbole I know but in the good ole eighties that sort of rhetoric would have canned him right away.

In other words, you want me to spend a ton of time talking about an issue that you acknowledge isn't important to you at all and you just want to use as a tool to "bring him down?" Sounds like a great use of time. How about instead you actually talk about the issues you DO care about and we can go from there.

How do you conclude that Obama "will do anything to win" while still supporting McCain? McCain isn't even a shell of the 2000 version of himself. He has done the Extreme Makeover Political Edition and you focus on Obama? What gives you that impression with Obama? I am afraid I can't even begin to address your concern there unless you are specific.

Your statement about "indifference to life" is silly (and I think you know it). If being pro-choice makes him "indifferent to life," then you are in that category too. Why would you detest him for what you are? Self-loathing? And then you say that he must not care about Iraqis because he wants to withdraw which assumes (among others) that he believes withdrawing will result in the death of countless Iraqis, that it won't save American lives, that he should value Iraqi lives over American lives (assuming the first assumption I noted here), that he doesn't believe that withdrawing can bring more stability to the region and reduce risk to American interests and security, that he doesn't believe withdrawing is necessary to allocate resources to Afghanistan which could save lives, etc. A pretty loaded statement there, Arch.

And a fine paragraph where you note that "hyperbole" and "rhetoric" would have done Obama in during the "good ole '80's." I suppose you find it desirable for hyperbole and rhetoric to carry the day? Sheesh.

You don't even attempt to approach these issues dispassionately.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

In other words, you want me to spend a ton of time talking about an issue that you acknowledge isn't important to you at all and you just want to use as a tool to "bring him down?" Sounds like a great use of time. How about instead you actually talk about the issues you DO care about and we can go from there.

How do you conclude that Obama "will do anything to win" while still supporting McCain? McCain isn't even a shell of the 2000 version of himself. He has done the Extreme Makeover Political Edition and you focus on Obama? What gives you that impression with Obama? I am afraid I can't even begin to address your concern there unless you are specific.

Your statement about "indifference to life" is silly (and I think you know it). If being pro-choice makes him "indifferent to life," then you are in that category too. Why would you detest him for what you are? Self-loathing? And then you say that he must not care about Iraqis because he wants to withdraw which assumes (among others) that he believes withdrawing will result in the death of countless Iraqis, that it won't save American lives, that he should value Iraqi lives over American lives (assuming the first assumption I noted here), that he doesn't believe that withdrawing can bring more stability to the region and reduce risk to American interests and security, that he doesn't believe withdrawing is necessary to allocate resources to Afghanistan which could save lives, etc. A pretty loaded statement there, Arch.

And a fine paragraph where you note that "hyperbole" and "rhetoric" would have done Obama in during the "good ole '80's." I suppose you find it desirable for hyperbole and rhetoric to carry the day? Sheesh.

You don't even attempt to approach these issues dispassionately.

Neither do you.

Can't you see the difference between being pro-choice and pro-abortion. Pro-abortion is to the promoting abortion, which Obama has done. Heck,he'd be out there with his coat hanger if he could.

But just by floating this concept, it seems to me that abortion per se is a dead issue. Obama may be defeated but not on this issue. The fact that he is a rabid supporter of abortion seems to me that it should be a concern.

Also, the fact that he believed he could cloak his record by "PRESENT" doesn't seem to bother anybody?

Do you want a politician who will deceitfully seek cover? I imagine Cali will simply say, "Oh yeah, what Politician doesn't do this?"

To which the natural response, "well I thought you claimed Obama was different." At which point Cali will remain silent. IOW, everybody's claim that Obama is about some novel change is pure BullShit. Admit that much Cali and you make a lot of hay.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Archaea

We've got you down that you want a massive oppressive and ungodly expensive new bureaucracy to deliver health insurance at a price we can't afford.

So next issue:

Are you fully comfortable with Obama's stance of actively promoting abortion, even partial birth abortions? Does his promotion of abortion, not just "pro-choice" position concern you?

We'll get to other issues as well, given your desire to promote this socialist.

Cali once told me in a post that abortion isn't murder. Why would this be a problem?

Remember, Obama cares. He doesn't care about unborn children, but that doesn't matter, because he cares.

[Colly Wolly]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Cali once told me in a post that abortion isn't murder. Why would this be a problem?

Remember, Obama cares. He doesn't care about unborn children, but that doesn't matter, because he cares.

I saw a bumper sticker yesterday that said: "Democrats: Hard on fetuses, soft on terror".

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Colly Wolly

I saw a bumper sticker yesterday that said: "Democrats: Hard on fetuses, soft on terror".

Isn't that how fetuses come to be?

[TripletDaddy]

I am fine with pro-choicers.

That's why I voted for Mitt!

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Cali once told me in a post that abortion isn't murder. Why would this be a problem?

Remember, Obama cares. He doesn't care about unborn children, but that doesn't matter, because he cares.

Placing a label like "murder" onto abortion is hardly helpful. Is it murder to take the morning after pill? Is it murder to have an abortion when the fetus can't possibly live on its own? Abortion is a debate about lines (when life begins) and competing interests (a woman's control of her body). Claiming abortion is murder assumes that the answer to the first issue mentioned above is obvious, and that the second issue mentioned above isn't a mitigating circumstance.