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View Poll Results: Iraq worth your son dying for | |||
yes | 7 | 38.89% | |
no | 11 | 61.11% | |
Voters: 18. You may not vote on this poll |
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02-07-2008, 07:57 PM | #1 |
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If you had a son who enlisted in the marines
and let's say you had a prophetic vision, that if stayed enlisted, he would die in Iraq.
Given he just signed up, he has two months to change his mind. Do you consider the cause in Iraq to be worth having your son die for? |
02-07-2008, 08:02 PM | #2 |
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It's not up to me to decide what is worth my son dying for. That's his choice to make. It's any person's choice to make that joins the military. Anyone that joins the military knows full well that they could be killed. Yes, even killed for reasons that they do not personally agree with. Our military is VOLUNTARY though, so if you don't want to die for a cause you feel is not worth dying for, then don't sign up!
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02-07-2008, 08:03 PM | #3 |
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I thought the military was for marching out in the Nevada desert for 4 years so you could get your college paid. Who screwed with that sweet deal???
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02-07-2008, 08:04 PM | #4 | |
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02-07-2008, 08:07 PM | #5 |
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The poll is bullshit. It presumes that the life of a soldier dying in Iraq was wasted but one dying in France or the Philipines was not. I'd be equally proud of sons dying in either context, and revere them, and be equally proud of them for going to fight. America is worth dying for anyplace anytime. Stick your poll, waters, it's offensive. Go vote Obama, you're kindred souls.
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02-07-2008, 08:11 PM | #6 |
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02-07-2008, 08:12 PM | #7 | |
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02-07-2008, 08:24 PM | #8 | |
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Some things are worth dying for. Some things are not. Americans are voting with their feet. Iraq, outside of the moral responsibility to clean up one's mess, is not worth dying for. I have a feeling if McCain is elected president, he will finish what W. started. That is, completely destroy the GOP forever. |
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02-07-2008, 08:26 PM | #9 |
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No one besides SU willing to make the case for why Iraq is worth dying for?
Any reasons besides "duty" and "prestige"? |
02-07-2008, 08:38 PM | #10 |
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Part of the reason for the poll's use of "son" is because I think it is easy to make an abstract decision in sending over other people to die and kill. It's harder to do it when it is yourself or your loved ones.
I can see fighting movements that are trying to take over liberal democracies like fascism and communism, and islamo-fascism--to the extent that they are real threats to freedom and democracy. You could say "that was worth dying for." But would you say the same about standing in the middle between Sunnis and Shiites? Is sorting out muslim factionalism worth your own blood? I'm not saying it is an easy answer to everyone. However, I really do rebel against the dogmatic notions in the GOP that this thing in Iraq is for the very survival of liberal democracy. This is demogoguery and no one in the GOP, outside of Ron Paul, has the guts to say it. |
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