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02-06-2008, 02:21 PM | #1 |
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Moderate positions I agree with McCain
1. Torture, as a policy for the United States, is a bad idea.
2. Drilling ANWR, bad idea 3. Rolling back mileage requirements for vehicles in the USA (CAFE standards) as Romney supports, bad idea. 4. Not giving some serious thought to global warming, bad idea. 5. Kicking out all illegals, regardless of circumstance, bad idea. I see McCain as arguably stronger that Romney on the 2nd amendment, and arguably stronger on abortion. What I don't like about McCain 1. His personality 2. His vindictiveness 3. His hawkishness McCain is strongest on deficit issues, pork-barrel, and special interests. He has a long record in the Senate, fighting against these things. Which builds his conservative credentials in the economics arena. When Romney took a strong anti-illegal-immigrant position, he made a calculated choice that winning the nomination was more important than winning the general election. Anyone with Tancredo-views is unelectable, in my opinion. McCain was wise, and now he goes forward as the candidate who can proclaim that he is electable. And we see that the immigration issue quickly dropped off the radar, and won't put any of the border states in the win column for Romney. Another bad calculation on Romney's part. |
02-06-2008, 02:30 PM | #2 |
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I don't think anyone is really saying #5, Mike.
But of all your points, the one I truly do not understand is #2. This attachment to an oil-less ANWR is truly perplexing and illogical.
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02-06-2008, 02:44 PM | #3 |
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Romney's stance on immigration is dumb, but at least it seems to be what majority of Americans want. Everyone seems to be pissed off at immigrants except for the Latin population.
McCain's dumb stand is on Iraq. "We'll be there another 100 years". How stupid was that? The Dem's will kill him over it. |
02-06-2008, 03:09 PM | #4 |
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I don't understand Mike's stance on ANWR, as I don't believe those drillable sites were pristine places of environmental beauty. Environmentalists like to cry for freedom from foreign oil but discourage all domestic attempts. Even if we wean ourselves from oil dependency, it will be over a long time, and oil or petroleum will always be part of our lives as every single modern product has some connection to petroleum.
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02-06-2008, 03:12 PM | #5 |
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We shouldn't be raping our parks and preserves, period.
Why aren't you drillers upset at the Florida GOP, which has fought off-shore derricks in Florida? |
02-06-2008, 03:38 PM | #6 |
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Florida has pristine areas. The areas for drilling in ANWR are NOT pristine, beautiful areas, but limited, desolate areas. The Alaskan pipeline has been engineered to avoid a lot of environmental impact.
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02-06-2008, 03:42 PM | #7 |
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First, the label of "park and preserve" is arbitrary, so that's not a reason. Second, why is it "raping"? Everyone always wants to cite Exxon-Valdez, but by and large, oil can be extracted without exceptional damage to the surrounding environment.
And to boot, the area the pro-ANWR folks would like to open is about the size of Washington Dulles airport. I am. It's equally illogical. But don't change the subject.
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On this point, George Will writes today:
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And about not "raping our parks and preserves"? Quote:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/107575/page/1
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02-07-2008, 06:47 PM | #9 |
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What do you propose as a short term solution to our dependency on middle eastern oil?
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02-07-2008, 06:50 PM | #10 |
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The real problem is dependency on oil PERIOD, not where it comes from. The oil market is a world market, not a regional one. To single out where we get it from is a nonsensical argument if you understand the economics. The middle east will always be front and center as long as anyone in the world is buying oil from them. Now if the US were to stop using oil completely, then yes, it would diminish the influence of the middle east. The British were self sufficient in their oil production in the 70s but they were paying the same high prices everyone else was anyway.
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